fungus_eater
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For me, ARC card seems to respond faster now recently
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ETS Bus and General Transit Improvements
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EdwardEdm
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They updated something back in February which has significantly sped the system up since then, and readers in buses seem to usually be working.
YEG Bus Rider
Active Member
Current fleet is 4 buses (7151-7154), 747 requires 8030 annual service hours (22hrs / day).
I’m tempted to start lobbying council…
Council ought to direct ETS to hold 5 out 20 funded growth buses within upcoming satellite garage capacity for 2025 in abeyance for council directed priorities.
From there, another motion for the following?
- Determine the capital costs to Edmonton taxpayers to covert up to 5 of those buses to airport specifications in order to increase frequency (starting with overcrowded 60 min service) with & without cost sharing.
- Determine the operating costs of increased frequency to Edmonton taxpayers with & without cost sharing.
Habibfazil
Active Member
are you asking for 5 more busses or just replace the current 4 worn out busses with 5?
trevorhayden
Active Member
Why not require Leduc to provide a bus? I bet those are underused.
EdwardEdm
Active Member
Depending upon your goals for service hours/ route if you're just looking to boost service up to 30 minute frequencies you'd need maybe 6 buses total.
YEG Bus Rider
Active Member
Up to 5 additional buses. Current fleet is highway equipped 2018-19 New Flyer XD40s, no need to replace.
Total as in current 4 + 2 growth buses?
YEG Bus Rider
Active Member
ETS Advisory Board meetings are now livestreamed as legally required under the MGA.
EdwardEdm
Active Member
Yes, 4+2.
Habibfazil
Active Member
So is it 6 or 9 busses you want, would the ridership be enough?
YEG Bus Rider
Active Member
30 mins in all time periods (comparable to Calgary & Ottawa) or at least 30 min midday.
Each growth bus is supposed to add around 2500 annual service hours according to last fall’s budget docs.
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EdwardEdm
Active Member
So I ran the numbers...
747 is 21 hours + about 7 hours of peak service X 365 days per year / 4 buses = 2555 hours per bus.
30 minutes all day... 42 hours X 365 days per year / 2500 hours per bus = 6.132 buses, or / 6 buses and it is exactly the same 2555 hours per bus as the current 4 buses provide.
I did look at cost recovery of the 747 once. I believe it was close to 40%, which as I recall is around ETS's target. That data might have been from the late 2010's and I am sure the route is busier now. There's certainly a healthy lineup when ever I am at Century Park when the bus is due. If the route was recovering 40% back then, plus money from the agreement, I can't help but wonder if the 747 right now could be close to breaking even or even making money.
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EdwardEdm
Active Member
Some minor good news form the Spring Capital Budget Adjustment. It is recommended to spend $37,850,000 on replacement buses.
This should fund about 47 buses at $800,000 each.
This reduces the shortfall in 2024-2026 capital budget for replacement buses to just over $200 million from $240 million. Feel like a drop in the bucket, but, it is better than nothing.
Prior to this, there was only funding for 22 buses (11 2024, 6 2025, 5 2026) out of a planned requirement for 322, with over 100 buses planned to be replaced each year. So, even with all of the funding over the 3 years, ETS is now looking at 69 replacement buses. Hopefully they'll come up with more money for additional replacements in 2026.
There are still also the 20 growth buses planned for 2025.
This should fund about 47 buses at $800,000 each.
This reduces the shortfall in 2024-2026 capital budget for replacement buses to just over $200 million from $240 million. Feel like a drop in the bucket, but, it is better than nothing.
Prior to this, there was only funding for 22 buses (11 2024, 6 2025, 5 2026) out of a planned requirement for 322, with over 100 buses planned to be replaced each year. So, even with all of the funding over the 3 years, ETS is now looking at 69 replacement buses. Hopefully they'll come up with more money for additional replacements in 2026.
There are still also the 20 growth buses planned for 2025.
YEG Bus Rider
Active Member
ETS surveyed 3000 riders last year.
Only 15% of riders choose ETS because it’s convenient.
As expected, Sense of safety/security & cleanliness scored the lowest & increasing service frequency was suggested.
Admin Presentation - Quarterly Verbal Update: Enhanced Transit Safety Plan & Downtown Core
Only 15% of riders choose ETS because it’s convenient.
As expected, Sense of safety/security & cleanliness scored the lowest & increasing service frequency was suggested.
Admin Presentation - Quarterly Verbal Update: Enhanced Transit Safety Plan & Downtown Core
IanO
Superstar
Honestly, who cares who much it is up since 2021.
Where do we sit compared to say 2000-2010-2019? and how does that factor in growth of usage if you factor in population growth?
I have an odd feeling that they would not want to do those calculations...
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Transit ridership up 130 per cent
June 12, 2024
Edmonton Transit Service (ETS) monthly ridership has grown by over 3 million, or 130 per cent, since spring 2021, continuing one of the strongest post-pandemic ridership recoveries in the country.
Starting in April 2021, when ETS launched its current bus network, year-over-year monthly ridership has increased for 37 consecutive months. For example, monthly ridership jumped from 2.3 million in April 2021, to 3.3 million in April 2022, 4.3 million in April 2023, and 5.2 million in April 2024. Ridership reached 5.3 million in May 2024.
“I am so pleased to see more riders returning or discovering transit as a viable option to connect them with the places and people they love. It’s a testament to the work that focuses on improving the rider experience that helps move more people throughout the city, whether it’s for a special event such as the Stanley Cup playoffs or a summer festival, or day-to-day commutes for work and play,” said Carrie Hotton-MacDonald, Branch Manager of Edmonton Transit Service.
The launch of the Valley Line Southeast LRT has been one of several contributing factors. In the first six months of Valley Line Southeast service, ridership has grown from 138,000 monthly riders in November 2023 to 223,000 monthly riders in April 2024. Currently, Valley Line Southeast, which runs from Mill Woods to Downtown, represents around 13 per cent of total LRT ridership.
In late 2023, through investments from Council, ETS was also able to grow the bus network for the first time since the 2015/16 budget. This included adding 70,000 new annual service hours previously allocated to Valley Line Southeast precursor bus service. As a result, ETS added more off-peak and frequent service to enhance flexibility for riders.
As Edmonton continues to grow, and the needs of transit riders change, ETS continually analyzes transit performance to ensure it remains efficient and effective for riders. This includes making service adjustments five times each year, based on transit data, rider feedback, seasonal changes and ridership growth. ETS conducts numerous rider research programs and has expanded partnerships to help ensure its service meets the needs of all riders.
For more information:
edmonton.ca/TransitReports
Media contact:
Brieanne Graham
Communications Advisor
City Operations
780-613-3496
Where do we sit compared to say 2000-2010-2019? and how does that factor in growth of usage if you factor in population growth?
I have an odd feeling that they would not want to do those calculations...
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Transit ridership up 130 per cent
June 12, 2024
Edmonton Transit Service (ETS) monthly ridership has grown by over 3 million, or 130 per cent, since spring 2021, continuing one of the strongest post-pandemic ridership recoveries in the country.
Starting in April 2021, when ETS launched its current bus network, year-over-year monthly ridership has increased for 37 consecutive months. For example, monthly ridership jumped from 2.3 million in April 2021, to 3.3 million in April 2022, 4.3 million in April 2023, and 5.2 million in April 2024. Ridership reached 5.3 million in May 2024.
“I am so pleased to see more riders returning or discovering transit as a viable option to connect them with the places and people they love. It’s a testament to the work that focuses on improving the rider experience that helps move more people throughout the city, whether it’s for a special event such as the Stanley Cup playoffs or a summer festival, or day-to-day commutes for work and play,” said Carrie Hotton-MacDonald, Branch Manager of Edmonton Transit Service.
The launch of the Valley Line Southeast LRT has been one of several contributing factors. In the first six months of Valley Line Southeast service, ridership has grown from 138,000 monthly riders in November 2023 to 223,000 monthly riders in April 2024. Currently, Valley Line Southeast, which runs from Mill Woods to Downtown, represents around 13 per cent of total LRT ridership.
In late 2023, through investments from Council, ETS was also able to grow the bus network for the first time since the 2015/16 budget. This included adding 70,000 new annual service hours previously allocated to Valley Line Southeast precursor bus service. As a result, ETS added more off-peak and frequent service to enhance flexibility for riders.
As Edmonton continues to grow, and the needs of transit riders change, ETS continually analyzes transit performance to ensure it remains efficient and effective for riders. This includes making service adjustments five times each year, based on transit data, rider feedback, seasonal changes and ridership growth. ETS conducts numerous rider research programs and has expanded partnerships to help ensure its service meets the needs of all riders.
For more information:
edmonton.ca/TransitReports
Media contact:
Brieanne Graham
Communications Advisor
City Operations
780-613-3496