God
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What he said wasn’t wrong. He didn’t ignorantly scream f*ck Trudeau. He just provided his opinion and two examples to support. The irony here is that it’s you that’s making the ignorant comment lol.
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Edmonton City Centre Mall (Renovations) | ?m | 2s | LaSalle Investment Management
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EdmTrekker
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I don't believe Edmonton can secure and make safe its downtown core without significantly reducing the transient population from downtown. Housing for homeless and transient people with accompanying community service supports should be located throughout Edmonton. Downtown is where most of transients are because this is where the vast majority of accommodations, social services and food are located. This concentration of transients includes people who wander around publicly accessible buildings, panhandle, litter the streets, damage property and some no doubt can be threatening. And it is this concentration that the downtown business community and residents see everyday. Where is the City Strategic Plan to deal with transient over-population in the downtown and how to relocate/house in the broader community by rehoming some of the shelters and facilities to the suburbs - city suburbs and suburban communities like moneybags Strathcona County.
David A
Senior Member
That was my take on it too. On the one hand this is a bit disappointing, but on the other hand, the last time they (well the previous owners, not the current ones) tried to fix City Centre they ended up with this.
Sohi, DBA want to bring more businesses downtown as Sport Chek leaves Edmonton City Centre
The city and other stakeholders in downtown Edmonton say more help is needed to address social issues in the area.edmonton.ctvnews.ca
So in other words, the proposed ECC renovations are delayed for the foreseeable future.
Am I reading this right?
Maybe they need to devote all their attention to getting some decent new tenants however possible (including being flexible on lease terms and rates for some period of time), rather than large capital expenditures and shuffling what is left around, which can be quite disruptive for the remaining tenants.
David A
Senior Member
Well there is an election coming and after three years of doing not much ... Maybe its a total coincidence, but I noticed things really started to deteriorate shortly after the UCP came into power.
I think the $5 million is for festivals and things like that, which doesn't solve the social issues or safety concerns, but hopefully it will help some.
CaptainBL
Active Member
Dealing with the social disorder is a massive problem for downtown, and unfortunately one that the city cannot control or has little recourse in dealing with.
That being said, there are many issues 100% within the city's control that the city continues to execute poorly or not at all. Many of these issues include things that should be considered completely unacceptable to tax payers such as:
- I checked tonight, the temporary electrical and light post on the south east corner of Jasper and 109st in front of the AMPM is STILL there. This pole was put in place at the beginning of the Jasper ave renewal project, and is still there despite construction having been completed on that corner well over a year ago.
- By end of February 2022 there was very little to no snow downtown I recall. I also recall the streets and sidewalks of our downtown core did not start getting swept from all the gravel and sand much later into middle to end of April despite there being no snow on the downtown streets for a month and a half to two months.
- Every day I see garbage cans that are overflowing and unattended to, which leads to garbage blowing around streets, especially streets that are completely empty like 102 ave at City Center.
- Enforcement of bylaws. How many times have we all complained on this forum about the condition of sites such as BMO tower, Emerald, or Arlington. The city has specific bylaws to protect the community against blights, yet the city fails to enforce those bylaws on neglectful owners.
- Fixing and maintain infrastructure like sidewalks instead of the mishmash or crumbled, uneven sidewalks filled in with random patches of asphalt in areas such as right outside the Encore.
- Replacing, cleaning or outright removing the hideous, dirty and dated green poster boards that dot Jasper ave.
- Continuing to allow for demolition of buildings that do not have a DP or BP in place, which ultimately leads to vacant land that adds no use or vibrancy to downtown.
I agree that there are many social disorder issues that are impacting downtown. And to be fair to the city, it is supremely difficult to deal with those and many cities are challenged on that front. However, as a downtown resident who sees daily the neglect of the example list I provided above, I could not be more disappointed, appalled and discouraged with how our downtown is neglected.
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JMatt88
Active Member
Ok, I had the most farfetched idea, but what if they turned ECC into a hospital? Would then even be feasible? I mean there prob is a need for another hospital in the core.
EdmTrekker
Senior Member
Another? There is no hospital now in the core and never will be. The RAH is close enough on its Kingsway location.
Airboy
Senior Member
Nope we need the one that was promised.
Greenspace
Senior Member
Please report overflowing garbage cans, graffiti etc to 311. The app is very easy to use and the City does follow up. If you're not seeming to having any success please feel free to report the issue to me and I will try to follow up. I reported 4 things yesterday and got calls about them before 11am this morning. EDBA has crews out 7 days a week in high pedestrian areas and if there's a problem area you think needs to be addressed I can also try to pass that along.
northlands
Senior Member
Hospital, no, but what about perhaps an assisted living, or seniors/retirement community?
Greenspace
Senior Member
^Yes, that's one of my ideas. I think a tower or two for seniors/assisted living would do well, given seniors love walking the pedways and the winter connections they afford.
JMatt88
Active Member
Yea that would be a better idea. Now that there is a City Market it would be even more enticing as people could walk to get groceries, etc.
Avenuer
Senior Member
This, I have had quite a bit of success using the 311 app as well.
BASE
Active Member
Love this idea
MacLac
Senior Member
Good advice! I find things go sideways on weekends as opposed to during the week. Especially hornet laden garbage cans in the summer time overflowing with melted slush cups.