Gronk!
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More residents living in mid-rise developments around RE/MAX Field would also do wonders!
That's the purpose of the River Crossing project, right?
That's the purpose of the River Crossing project, right?
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TAS
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Regarding the gondola that keeps getting referenced, Jeffrey Hansen-Carlson, who has merged his party with another conservative group called PACE, has commented it's basically dead.
"Hansen-Carlson will be known to some Edmontonians as the man behind the push to build a gondola across the North Saskatchewan River. But since city council grounded that idea in 2022, he doesn’t think it’s coming back" - as the investor money is gone.
edmontonjournal.com
"Hansen-Carlson will be known to some Edmontonians as the man behind the push to build a gondola across the North Saskatchewan River. But since city council grounded that idea in 2022, he doesn’t think it’s coming back" - as the investor money is gone.
Two conservative-leaning Edmonton municipal parties merge under PACE banner
The first two municipal political parties announced for Edmonton's 2025 election are merging under the banner of PACE.
edmontonjournal.com
archited
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^ Thanks Mayor and Council -- you should be so very proud! Your ineptness mirrors your arrogance.
IanO
Superstar
Regarding the gondola that keeps getting referenced, Jeffrey Hansen-Carlson, who has merged his party with another conservative group called PACE, has commented it's basically dead.
"Hansen-Carlson will be known to some Edmontonians as the man behind the push to build a gondola across the North Saskatchewan River. But since city council grounded that idea in 2022, he doesn’t think it’s coming back" - as the investor money is gone.
Two conservative-leaning Edmonton municipal parties merge under PACE banner
The first two municipal political parties announced for Edmonton's 2025 election are merging under the banner of PACE.
*let me fully disclose that I am one of those investors, albeit a small one.
Never say never, but certainly would require repositioning and a new round.
archited
Senior Member
I would like to see the Gondola become a major issue for the upcoming election (that should shuffle the deck in a major way).
HappyJazzz
Active Member
Add the gondola to the list of projects that are better as ideas than implementations.
See your many many pictures of broken glass, trash and disorder if you're looking for reasons why...
Park that plan, but save the sites so it can be revisited in 10 years or so when some of our other problems have hopefully been resolved.
archited
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A little diversion to show how a World Indigenous Peoples' Exposition (WInPEx) could change the Boyle Street Area Public Perception -- Rossdale would be the Canadian/Alberta/Edmonton Focus.
Here is the map concept just north of Qualico's Development:
Central Feature would be a walled classical Chinese Garden -- the exterior or street side of the wall would feature a planted wall and a strip park -- concept ideas later.
The interior garden would employ all of the classical features associated with a Formal Garden...
A typical Taiwanese Classical Chinese Garden plan would feature a walled enclosure with winding paths connecting various structures like pavilions, bridges, and gazebos, strategically placed around a central water feature, all carefully designed to create a series of framed views and vistas, incorporating elements like intricate rock formations, carefully selected plants with symbolic meaning, and decorative features like "leak windows" to frame specific scenes within the garden, emphasizing a sense of tranquility and harmony through the interplay of nature and architecture; the overall design would aim to mimic a miniaturized natural landscape for contemplation and leisurely strolling.
Key elements to include in a Taiwanese Classical Chinese Garden plan:
Walls and Gates:
A surrounding wall with decorative entrances like a "moon gate" to mark the transition into the garden.
Water Features:
A central pond or stream with bridges crossing over, often incorporating lotus flowers and other aquatic plants.
Rock Formations:
Carefully arranged "scholar's rocks" to create natural-looking rock formations, often symbolic in their shapes.
Pavilions and Gazebos:
Structures like "tea houses" and "viewing pavilions" positioned to offer optimal views of the garden.
Walking Paths:
Meandering pathways with variations in material and design to guide the visitor's movement through the garden.
Plant Selection:
A mix of plants with symbolic meaning including bamboo (flexibility), pine (longevity), plum blossoms (resilience), and lotus (purity).
Architectural Details:
Decorative elements like carved window screens, intricate roof tiles, and ornate stonework.
Design principles to consider:
"Borrowing Scenery":
Framing views beyond the garden boundaries to create a sense of depth and connection to the surrounding landscape.
"Yin and Yang":
Balancing opposing elements like water (yin) and rock (yang) to create harmony.
"The Art of the Frame":
Utilizing architectural features like walls, windows, and doors to carefully compose views.
Example layout:
Entrance area:
A small courtyard with a moon gate leading to a winding path that gradually reveals the garden's main features.
Central pond:
A large pond with a decorative bridge, surrounded by strategically placed rocks and flowering plants.
Pavilion by the water:
A pavilion with a view over the pond, ideal for tea ceremonies or contemplation.
Rockery garden:
A section dedicated to elaborate rock formations with strategically placed plants.
Hidden corners:
Small secluded areas with unique features like a "secret garden" or a "bamboo grove".
The following are photos of Dr. Sun Yet-Sen Garden in Vancouver (naturally the plant species would be zone appropriate)
Here is the map concept just north of Qualico's Development:
Central Feature would be a walled classical Chinese Garden -- the exterior or street side of the wall would feature a planted wall and a strip park -- concept ideas later.
The interior garden would employ all of the classical features associated with a Formal Garden...
A typical Taiwanese Classical Chinese Garden plan would feature a walled enclosure with winding paths connecting various structures like pavilions, bridges, and gazebos, strategically placed around a central water feature, all carefully designed to create a series of framed views and vistas, incorporating elements like intricate rock formations, carefully selected plants with symbolic meaning, and decorative features like "leak windows" to frame specific scenes within the garden, emphasizing a sense of tranquility and harmony through the interplay of nature and architecture; the overall design would aim to mimic a miniaturized natural landscape for contemplation and leisurely strolling.
Key elements to include in a Taiwanese Classical Chinese Garden plan:
Walls and Gates:
A surrounding wall with decorative entrances like a "moon gate" to mark the transition into the garden.
Water Features:
A central pond or stream with bridges crossing over, often incorporating lotus flowers and other aquatic plants.
Rock Formations:
Carefully arranged "scholar's rocks" to create natural-looking rock formations, often symbolic in their shapes.
Pavilions and Gazebos:
Structures like "tea houses" and "viewing pavilions" positioned to offer optimal views of the garden.
Walking Paths:
Meandering pathways with variations in material and design to guide the visitor's movement through the garden.
Plant Selection:
A mix of plants with symbolic meaning including bamboo (flexibility), pine (longevity), plum blossoms (resilience), and lotus (purity).
Architectural Details:
Decorative elements like carved window screens, intricate roof tiles, and ornate stonework.
Design principles to consider:
"Borrowing Scenery":
Framing views beyond the garden boundaries to create a sense of depth and connection to the surrounding landscape.
"Yin and Yang":
Balancing opposing elements like water (yin) and rock (yang) to create harmony.
"The Art of the Frame":
Utilizing architectural features like walls, windows, and doors to carefully compose views.
Example layout:
Entrance area:
A small courtyard with a moon gate leading to a winding path that gradually reveals the garden's main features.
Central pond:
A large pond with a decorative bridge, surrounded by strategically placed rocks and flowering plants.
Pavilion by the water:
A pavilion with a view over the pond, ideal for tea ceremonies or contemplation.
Rockery garden:
A section dedicated to elaborate rock formations with strategically placed plants.
Hidden corners:
Small secluded areas with unique features like a "secret garden" or a "bamboo grove".
The following are photos of Dr. Sun Yet-Sen Garden in Vancouver (naturally the plant species would be zone appropriate)
David A
Senior Member
I wasn't a fan of the gondola, but I do feel it is time to consider various creative new ideas for this area. If we wait for all the other related problems to be solved we will be waiting another 60 years or more for something to happen.
Yeggy
Active Member
Have you seen the Gondola/PRT Hybrid. It has been created by a Kiwi lead company.
Brilliantly innovative on-demand transit system set to open in 2026
This is not your grandad's cable car gondola. Born of an amusement ride and opening to the public in 2026, this remarkably clever kiwi idea offers quick, cheap, on-demand urban transit – that's much more direct and private than public transport.
newatlas.com
The Cable is stationary and the pods have their own electric motor.
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archited
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The following are a series of various world's fair pavilions keyed to the plan on the previous post, beginning with Japan and South Korea:
then the so-called South East "Tiger Nations" beginning with Taiwan and so there is no confusion about who constitutes Indigenous Peoples the following videos using Taiwan as an example...
then the so-called South East "Tiger Nations" beginning with Taiwan and so there is no confusion about who constitutes Indigenous Peoples the following videos using Taiwan as an example...
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archited
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Next the nations of Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Thailand also keyed to the previous post showing a map of the area (again these are photos of World's Fair pavilions -- random years)...
As is evident by past pavilions (and some that are planned for 2025) a lot of architectural pride goes into the thought and design of the structures. It is not difficult to see how this could be transformative for Edmonton. And since this would be a permanent fair, the cultural elements of Indigenous people would be on display for all time featuring cultural mores, food types, national artifacts, dance-music-entertainment -- and the system would be set in place for trade of indigenous items with a modern bent -- fashion, furniture, and fixtures.
The ugliest part of Edmonton would be transformed and all of the in-between properties would be left to developers to re-fashion in keeping with a new City.
Edmonton pays a great deal of lip service to Indigeneity -- it would be great to see that turned into "bricks and mortar".
As is evident by past pavilions (and some that are planned for 2025) a lot of architectural pride goes into the thought and design of the structures. It is not difficult to see how this could be transformative for Edmonton. And since this would be a permanent fair, the cultural elements of Indigenous people would be on display for all time featuring cultural mores, food types, national artifacts, dance-music-entertainment -- and the system would be set in place for trade of indigenous items with a modern bent -- fashion, furniture, and fixtures.
The ugliest part of Edmonton would be transformed and all of the in-between properties would be left to developers to re-fashion in keeping with a new City.
Edmonton pays a great deal of lip service to Indigeneity -- it would be great to see that turned into "bricks and mortar".
archited
Senior Member
Back to the surrounding streets where sidewalks are expanded into venture corridors and walls a la Chinese Garden enclosure are designed to be more interesting...
archited
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Some other thoughts about just this South-East Asian enclave portion of WInPEx:
-- it would be an incentivizer for other developments to proceed -- the completion of Qualico's City within a City and ICE District phase II
-- it could lead to Katz's vision for a downtown Stadium
-- it would put an emphasis on the 101st street/102nd Ave eyesore plot
-- it would spur other downtown developments -- Falcon II, Shift, 104th Street Projects
-- it could be tied to NorQuest and MacEwan University expansion projects since both institutions profess an indigenous sensibility
-- it might even encourage China to stop "blenderizing" its population and pay more attention to minority indigenous populations with its borders
The City could assemble the land as it did for the much less notable Warehouse District Park and put feelers out for financial support from the downtown "heavy hitter" development crowd -- it could then provide land free to participating nations and -- further-- provide plan-check free to those same nations.
The City could run a competition Lotto for selecting the best winning Expo Architectural design matched against the best interior cultural representation matched against the most popular pavilion. At ten dollars a ticket it could generate millions.
Ownership of Pavilions could be a joint deed -- CoE plus the Island Nation.
Edmonton could work to see a positive trade relationship with Indigenous tribes throughout the world, bringing their wares to the City for distribution throughout North America and the World.
The City could institute a special land tax for new developments that would abut pavilion properties.
The Pavilions would be required to showcase their indigenous populations -- food, drink. fashion, dance, and music.
The high-level bridge connecting downtown to 99th Street on the south side would then house pavilions for India, the 'istan nations, the Middle East Nations, Australia, New Zealand, and the European Nations of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Iceland and the British Isles Scotland, England, Wales, and Ireland.
-- it would be an incentivizer for other developments to proceed -- the completion of Qualico's City within a City and ICE District phase II
-- it could lead to Katz's vision for a downtown Stadium
-- it would put an emphasis on the 101st street/102nd Ave eyesore plot
-- it would spur other downtown developments -- Falcon II, Shift, 104th Street Projects
-- it could be tied to NorQuest and MacEwan University expansion projects since both institutions profess an indigenous sensibility
-- it might even encourage China to stop "blenderizing" its population and pay more attention to minority indigenous populations with its borders
The City could assemble the land as it did for the much less notable Warehouse District Park and put feelers out for financial support from the downtown "heavy hitter" development crowd -- it could then provide land free to participating nations and -- further-- provide plan-check free to those same nations.
The City could run a competition Lotto for selecting the best winning Expo Architectural design matched against the best interior cultural representation matched against the most popular pavilion. At ten dollars a ticket it could generate millions.
Ownership of Pavilions could be a joint deed -- CoE plus the Island Nation.
Edmonton could work to see a positive trade relationship with Indigenous tribes throughout the world, bringing their wares to the City for distribution throughout North America and the World.
The City could institute a special land tax for new developments that would abut pavilion properties.
The Pavilions would be required to showcase their indigenous populations -- food, drink. fashion, dance, and music.
The high-level bridge connecting downtown to 99th Street on the south side would then house pavilions for India, the 'istan nations, the Middle East Nations, Australia, New Zealand, and the European Nations of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Iceland and the British Isles Scotland, England, Wales, and Ireland.
archited
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The Quarters vacant lands...
Here is a dreamscape map
And the hew South Asian villages could look like this ...
I could see this working in Gene Dub's Historic one-time Army and Navy Building on 97th Street and the rest of the New Chinatown structure could be some form of...
Look, the land exists here to develop an authentic village-type atmosphere picking up various styles from south-east Asia.
Permanent occupancies would see a cooperative agreement between an Edmonton Entrepreneur (mom- and pop-style) conjoined with and indigenous entrepreneurial group that would provide joint ownership with chefs, if a food establishment, hand-hewn product if a retailer, entertainment if a lounge type enterprise, etc. These agreements could mature over a 1-year trial period where Edmontonian or Albertan or Canadian -- pulled from an application-based select type scenario -- is paired with a specific exo-indigenous representative group or individual. I suspect that the list of applicants would be huge. The interstitial laneways would all be pedestrian with allowance made for emergency vehicles or licensed delivery van, dutifully landscaped. The structures would be 3 - 4 storeys with retail/hospitality ground tenancies and apartment units above (similar toSan Francisco's Chinatown)
The subsurface would include a multi-level underground parkade that would serve the entire area -- the arts precinct, the law structures RAM and of course the new southeast Asian Village..
Here is a dreamscape map
And the hew South Asian villages could look like this ...
Look, the land exists here to develop an authentic village-type atmosphere picking up various styles from south-east Asia.
Permanent occupancies would see a cooperative agreement between an Edmonton Entrepreneur (mom- and pop-style) conjoined with and indigenous entrepreneurial group that would provide joint ownership with chefs, if a food establishment, hand-hewn product if a retailer, entertainment if a lounge type enterprise, etc. These agreements could mature over a 1-year trial period where Edmontonian or Albertan or Canadian -- pulled from an application-based select type scenario -- is paired with a specific exo-indigenous representative group or individual. I suspect that the list of applicants would be huge. The interstitial laneways would all be pedestrian with allowance made for emergency vehicles or licensed delivery van, dutifully landscaped. The structures would be 3 - 4 storeys with retail/hospitality ground tenancies and apartment units above (similar toSan Francisco's Chinatown)
The subsurface would include a multi-level underground parkade that would serve the entire area -- the arts precinct, the law structures RAM and of course the new southeast Asian Village..
archited
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Keyed to the Map, these pavilions (similar to past World's Fair Pavilions) would fill in empty lots...
