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Perhaps his sources know more about this, but they may be hesitant to say more for obvious reasons. Despite his consistent anti transit agenda, I don't think Gunther would be making this up . Presumably he feels his sources are reliable enough to put this out there.

It doesn't say good things if the administration is keeping council in the dark on this, but this seems to be typical in how they manage their bosses rather than how it should be the other way around.

If they have not been informed, I suspect councillors will not be pleased to find out by reading this and it may prompt some uncomfortable questions and conversations back to the administration, which they may deserve.
 
Gunter has always been negative about Edmonton. At this point, I'm sure that any delay would be noted by Marigold.
 
thommyjo said:
Please also remember that I said this…as a member of the citizen working group for the project who has access to the comms leads for the project…

They won’t disclose details. But I mentioned a few months back that there were major delays and a bunch of people on here laughed at it.

Guess we’ll keep waiting and seeing. But they’re behind for sure. Gunther is happy to share it I’m sure, but doesn’t mean he’s lying.
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I’m just curious as to what the “major delays are”?
Even the cracked piers didn’t set back the valley line by over 2 years, so I don’t understand what it could be?
 
J_gordo said:
I’m just curious as to what the “major delays are”?
Even the cracked piers didn’t set back the valley line by over 2 years, so I don’t understand what it could be?
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Appears to be on track with progress made so far……
 
I had also heard from somebody within the city who I thought is in the know that the Coronation rec centre was going to be well over budget. But a few months after that and more recently, I saw city admin update council on various projects where Coronation was said to be on budget. That was good news to me and I just thought the person I heard that from probably didn't know. Now I'm wondering.
 
Just going by the Q1 2024 progress update saying construction progress is only 16.2% after over 27 months of construction, that does track that they're definitely running severely behind if this is supposed to be five years of construction. Between Q1 2023 and Q1 2024, they only made 10.2% construction progress.

Pretty ugly stuff to read when typically this is the time where most construction progress is made (mid project) as you're fully staffed up, pre-lim work largely done, but before the slow fine detail stuff comes in later.
 
northlands said:
Just going by the Q1 2024 progress update saying construction progress is only 16.2% after over 27 months of construction, that does track that they're definitely running severely behind if this is supposed to be five years of construction. Between Q1 2023 and Q1 2024, they only made 10.2% construction progress.

Pretty ugly stuff to read when typically this is the time where most construction progress is made (mid project) as you're fully staffed up, pre-lim work largely done, but before the slow fine detail stuff comes in later.
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16.2% was only up until March 2024, so that would be only ~22 months as construction didn’t “officially” start until end of may 2022. And yes I don’t count “pre construction” as actual construction.

Maybe I’m wrong but I still don’t see how it’s 2 years behind schedule, but I guess I’ll wait to see the city officially come out and say something concrete.
 
Now that the difficult infrastructure is mostly built, I expect any future delays to be caused by underpaying workers, leading to perceived (but not real) worker shortages.
 
Barnaby said:
Now that the difficult infrastructure is mostly built, I expect any future delays to be caused by underpaying workers, leading to perceived (but not real) worker shortages.
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I would believe that MIP has been trying to dramatically cut labour costs to maintain budget on this given inflationary pressures. How much evening/night work has been getting done on this job? Most VLW sites I see have no movement on evenings and never on Sundays. Meanwhile felt like TransEd was running night shift crews constantly, especially on the tunnel.

I also wonder if they wound up feeling a labour pinch with Standard General's labour force being so dedicated to the Yellowhead project, which I've heard really went off the rails and was supposed to have been completed last fall that they're still trying to wrap up now, even with getting an extra basically month and change of construction season with the killer fall we had.
 
northlands said:
I would believe that MIP has been trying to dramatically cut labour costs to maintain budget on this given inflationary pressures. How much evening/night work has been getting done on this job? Most VLW sites I see have no movement on evenings and never on Sundays. Meanwhile felt like TransEd was running night shift crews constantly, especially on the tunnel.

I also wonder if they wound up feeling a labour pinch with Standard General's labour force being so dedicated to the Yellowhead project, which I've heard really went off the rails and was supposed to have been completed last fall that they're still trying to wrap up now, even with getting an extra basically month and change of construction season with the killer fall we had.
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They’ve been working 24/7 with the gantry crane for about the last 3 months.
 
I seem to recall the SE line was "on time" for the first few years until it suddenly wasn't, even to the point where noone believed them. I don't like Gunther either, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marigold doesn't admit to delays until its forced to, why would they? The labour market, cost control to mitigate inflation, and supply chain issues have been rampant for everyone the last two years, why would this be any different.
 
SarcasticMarmot said:
I seem to recall the SE line was "on time" for the first few years until it suddenly wasn't, even to the point where noone believed them. I don't like Gunther either, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marigold doesn't admit to delays until its forced to, why would they? The labour market, cost control to mitigate inflation, and supply chain issues have been rampant for everyone the last two years, why would this be any different.
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That is not how I remember it. To a casual observer just a couple of years into construction I was concerned over the lack of progress.
 
Glenco said:
That is not how I remember it. To a casual observer just a couple of years into construction I was concerned over the lack of progress.
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That is what I meant by "noone believed them", I seem to recall TransEd saying things were "on time" for longer than was credible. Avoiding admitting delays until the last possible moment seems to be the usual MO for companies. So if there are delays on the West line, I'm skeptical that Marigold would be quick to admit it.
 
SarcasticMarmot said:
That is what I meant by "noone believed them", I seem to recall TransEd saying things were "on time" for longer than was credible. Avoiding admitting delays until the last possible moment seems to be the usual MO for companies. So if there are delays on the West line, I'm skeptical that Marigold would be quick to admit it.
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And TransEd only ever blamed the concrete in the river for their delays, at least until they no longer could.
 
It would definitely be unfortunate if the entire project is delayed. That's where it's too bad that they couldn't open up in phases. Starting from downtown they could open up til 124 street, then next phase 6 months later to Stoney Plain Road, 6 more months to meadowlark mall, and final phase anther 6 months to Lewis Farm. I know they can't do that most likely, but assuming problems are further west, it gives them more time and it at least makes it feel like there isn't as much of a delay.
 
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