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westcoastjos

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Lots of good points, but UBC is not really a factor at all as it's not near their downtown district or Robson/granville.

As was noted previously, the close proximity of Edmonton's post secondary institutions to downtown is a strength we need to continue to take advantage of.
Off topic to go into detail, but one bus gets you to and from UBC to downtown, namely Granville. Pretty common and popular to hit up that area for nightlife. 🙂

Just as Whyte Ave is one bus or walk away from the university. Easy access!
 

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Off topic to go into detail, but one bus gets you to and from UBC to downtown, namely Granville. Pretty common and popular to hit up that area for nightlife. 🙂

Just as Whyte Ave is one bus or walk away from the university. Easy access!

According to this, UBC is a 40 minute bus ride (two hour walk) to Granville street at Davie. A huge portion of Edmonton is accessible to our downtown by bus in 40 minutes.

When listing the assets of their downtown, I just wouldn't consider 'nearby' UBC as one of them. But all good.

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I use that bus when I visit pops out at UBC to head Downtown and it is exceptionally convenient, cheap and direct.

Most folks are not going to party on Granville though, most are headed back from work or off to the beach.
 

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First of all, the "no one goes downtown" statement ignores those people who live downtown or nearby. I am sure those people who live in nearby Encore (and people in various other new and existing buildings in the area) would prefer a short walk to stores, rather than having to drive almost everywhere and be treated as "no ones". The addition of Loblaws and other venues here will also start to help bring people to the area and I suspect some other stores will eventually notice, hey there are actually people here and some additional things will open too. I would not predict the future based on a very unusual and difficult last few years. I think that would be very short sighted. Ice District will eventually do well. It is not just hockey, but concerts and other large events, which were also curtailed due to COVID, but are resuming and eventually will happen fairly regularly again.

Of course, COVID sure didn't help things , but for whatever reasons Cineplex, was already not going ahead. Yes, it actually would have been a good fit for the Entertainment District, but it also may have been to some extent a duplication of the existing nearby theaters and movie theaters are not exactly a thing of the future, more of the past. I am not sure both would have survived. On a related note, I admire how Vancouver has preserved and in some cases reused a number of older theater venues on Granville street and agree it has added both the the character and liveliness of the area. Its unfortunate Edmonton has torn most of them down. At one time there probably a dozen downtown. I think that was also somewhat short sighted.

When I go through City Centre (which is often), I actually do see people in the few remaining stores there, so yes people who work downtown do actually go to them. Of course, not a lot remaining to go to, so that might be the bigger problem right now. However as more people return to working in the office, it has been noticeably busier in the area and that probably means some more customers for these stores.
 

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According to this, UBC is a 40 minute bus ride (two hour walk) to Granville street at Davie. A huge portion of Edmonton is accessible to our downtown by bus in 40 minutes.

When listing the assets of their downtown, I just wouldn't consider 'nearby' UBC as one of them. But all good.

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I should have worded it better in that regard. I didn't mean it as an asset to their downtown, but an additional driver of people to do things in the downtown area similar to students here and their interactions on Whyte. Yeah, it isn't a short trip, but the SkyTrain from Burnaby and Surrey isn't super quick either, yet many people still go downtown to those event spaces to converge. I think people are fairly used to the longer trip times there. At least my friends and I were when I still lived there and transit was usually pretty busy even on trips that went further out to the proverbial burbs.

Primary point was the catalyst area though, one of which Edmonton doesn't really have other than Whyte historically. Ask people what they think of from other places about Edmonton's nightlife and that is what people usually say, or West Ed, unfortunately. Haha.
 

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Fun fact - After ECC was renovated in 2004/5 it had the second highest sales per square foot next to WEM. At the time Heritage Mall has just closed and The Bay was still transitioning to Southgate, both Southgate and Kingsway had not expanded or renovated. WEM had the same stores as Downtown and had just started to attract unique international retailers.
 

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Fun fact - After ECC was renovated in 2004/5 it had the second highest sales per square foot next to WEM. At the time Heritage Mall has just closed and The Bay was still transitioning to Southgate, both Southgate and Kingsway had not expanded or renovated. WEM had the same stores as Downtown and had just started to attract unique international retailers.
Thanks, that is very good to know. I observed how the mall was managed over the last decade or so and I have the strong feeling the previous owners of the mall drove it into the ground through a combination of neglect and bad decisions. It wasn't that there was no potential here. I believe they drove way a lot of good tenants away through a combination of indifference and arrogance and it began to spiral after that.
 

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