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LRT Safety

Isn't per capita per ridership growth not matching pop growth because most recent increases in pop growth over the last 10-15 years are in sprawly suburban areas?

It's less "ETS bad" and more "Yeah no shit we can't run 25 buses an hour to Keswick to match service requirements".
 
Yeggy said:
You are correct, you are beyond angry. Hyperbolic even.

Anyone who has lived in Edmonton, for any extended period of time, knows that the Province underfunds the North and leaves Edmonton to be the catch all for these Northern Communities.

If law enforcement actually solved social disorder the USA would be the safest place on earth. If locking people up solved addiction there would be no addiction.

You know what they say about insanity and continually doing the same thing right?
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'You know what they say about insanity and continually doing the same thing right?'

the irony. that's what city hall has been doing, resulting in the cbc doing the story lol
 
whattheheck said:
*nope. you have no right to change the goal posts. the city's biz case was for the SE line. There was no mention ever in any of the SE documents about the need for the west line to be operating to achieve that ridership target. you're like a conservative twisting the truth to fit your agenda.
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Really maybe avoid the personal attacks.

So lets contextualize the numbers you speak of. Numbers created pre pandemic, in a dramatically different world. I believe the entire ets system has only recently gotten back to pre pandemic levels, if that.

So your expectation is that the lrt, a part of a system, its to outperform every metric of that larger system. Touch some grass.

You keep going off and being angry.
 
Yeggy said:
I think you missed the point.

Perception is not reality as the other poster put forward. You are highlighting actual safety concerns. This is extremely different who someone who uses the system, sees thibgs that make them feel uncomfortable, but never encounters an actual safety concern.

Lets be clear there are people who out there who wont “feel” safe because they see someone of a different race/social economical status despite them never actually being unsafe.

Again I point out I feel less safe by crowds of police blocking lrt exits, milling about and questioning people who are simply using the system.
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I think your assumption that people claiming to feel unsafe or uncomfortable is related to race or harmless homeless people is deeply dismissive.

Anyone that regularly uses transit, especially centrally or north, will have had numerous encounters with unsafe people.

Let’s be clear, we have hundreds of criminals using transit, or in transit spaces, daily in our city. That’s an issue. Go to any bus station, ride the train, walk the pedways.

Open drug use, alcohol, knives, red alert colours, screaming and mental health episodes, erratic movements, carrying stolen goods, graffiti and vandalism….. it’s criminal and that’s why people are upset. Not cause a “minority” is around…
 
Yeggy said:
Agreed, and with millions of trips a month, how many safety incidents occur during that same time period? what is that expressed as a ratio?

I will bet large amounts of money I am more likely to be pick pocketed on the paris metro than to have anything negativity to me on the Edm LRT. YET Paris remains one of the most visited cities on the planet…. There needs to be room to discus bias here as its a HUGE problem.
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Yes, ridership is up. And yes, it comes to millions of trips per month - 4.65 the last I saw.

The caveat with that is the same one that comes with counting visits to the Ice District in the millions. There aren’t 4.65 million riders every month.

If there are 4.65 million trips a month, there’s roughly 150,000 trips per day. Assuming those riders who go somewhere also return, that translates to roughly 75,000 riders per day out of a population of roughly 1 million..
 
^ Ken I have to ask what is your point?

No one claimed that there were millions of users? I clearly stated trips.

When we purchase ets’s service we buy a “trip” it seems perfectly reasonable that ets measure trips.
 
kcantor said:
If there are 4.65 million trips a month, there’s roughly 150,000 trips per day. Assuming those riders who go somewhere also return, that translates to roughly 75,000 riders per day out of a population of roughly 1 million..
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Indeed. A population of roughly 1 million - of which about 300,000 are either children under 14 or seniors over 65 (StatsCan 2021) and therefore rather unlikely to be commuting to the office every day.

So a population of roughly 700,000 - of which probably half work in Acheson, Nisku, the Industrial Heartland, or some kind of industrial or office park hellscape within Edmonton limits (my own guess, but please humour me).

So a population of about 350,000 who work somewhere transit might actually make sense to use as a form of transportation - of which about 1/3 are probably WFH at least a couple of days per week.

Okay so a population of about 233,333 people who are between the ages of 15 and 65, who work somewhere with feasible transit access, and who are expected to show up to their office (or school) most days of the week.

Yeah, about 75,000 individual transit commuters per day sounds about right.
 
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IanO said:
Looks like all of the plexiglass on 104st at Bay is being replaced with something higher quality and there is new lighting in there making both entrances MUCH better.
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New material - old tired + they heard my call to put camera in the most problematic spaces! I just hope that it is high enough to avoid damage.

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