Windsor Terrace | ?m | 12s | Pagaro Investments | Hodgson Schilf Evans

What do you think of this project?

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observedevyeg said:
New to the forum after being a long time (4 year) lurker. Is there a post to follow the adjacent lot? It doesn't come up on the map!
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Windsor Park 118 Street DC2 - 6 storeys

LDA22-0373 - Windsor Park 118 Street DC2 The proposed DC2 Provision would allow for the development of a short mid-rise residential building with the following key characteristics: Maximum heights ranging from 14.5 metres at the north end of the site to 20 metres at the south end...
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Barnaby said:
Yeah, not enough of these mid-rise buildings are being put up.
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Where's the streetscape? Another free loading developer? Or maybe the developers pockets aren't deep enough to have included any. This is the type of developer that upsets people in the neighborhood. Take a look at that picture and consider what that street and neighborhood would look like if everybody did the same as that developer.
 
Out of Towner said:
Where's the streetscape? Another free loading developer? Or maybe the developers pockets aren't deep enough to have included any. This is the type of developer that upsets people in the neighborhood. Take a look at that picture and consider what that street and neighborhood would look like if everybody did the same as that developer.
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Can you cool it just a little bit? Ever since you started posting here, the tone of the forums has taken a much more aggressive tone. I've yet to mute anyone over the years but I'm getting there.

This isn't Reddit.
 
Out of Towner said:
Where's the streetscape? Another free loading developer? Or maybe the developers pockets aren't deep enough to have included any. This is the type of developer that upsets people in the neighborhood. Take a look at that picture and consider what that street and neighborhood would look like if everybody did the same as that developer.
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Allegedly there were supposed to be trees planted out front, but due to u/g utilities routed underneath it wasn't feasible.
 
northlands said:
Allegedly there were supposed to be trees planted out front, but due to u/g utilities routed underneath it wasn't feasible.
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It's really unfortunate that a utility service corridor had to be run around what looks like around the entire building. Wonder if the developer could plant some trees in the boulevard across the street as a compromise? Also wonder if the development in the block to the east will rip out the trees and not replant any.
 
Tropical said:
Can you cool it just a little bit? Ever since you started posting here, the tone of the forums has taken a much more aggressive tone. I've yet to mute anyone over the years but I'm getting there.

This isn't Reddit.
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Sorry but I thought that taxpayers were allowed to voice an opinion even when they may not be popular with everybody. Your post suggests that you have a dog in the fight because I don't recall you calling anybody out for complaining about any of Regency's vacant properties.
 
Out of Towner said:
Where's the streetscape? Another free loading developer? Or maybe the developers pockets aren't deep enough to have included any. This is the type of developer that upsets people in the neighborhood. Take a look at that picture and consider what that street and neighborhood would look like if everybody did the same as that developer.
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I'm completely open to planting trees in both outside lanes of that massive roadway. Is that what you'd actually like though, or are you concern trolling?

I'm not really sure what you mean by saying "another free loading developer?" Is this a major problem in the city that I'm not privy to? Developers are the only supply side solution this city has to housing. The governments we've been blessed with can't seem to figure out how to build housing for less than $1million/unit. I welcome developers to provide value to people. The more the merrier.

Often when there is a complaint about losing trees, it's when there's a considerable amount of housing being built. I don't want to lose the urban canopy either, and I certainly don't like seas of asphalt/concrete. It frankly seems bad faith to make this argument when the very picture you're pointing shows 80% of the public space being asphalt dedicated to cars.
 
I understand that some of you have jobs in the field and are doing God's work and are sensitive to criticism. If advocating for an urban canopy is "concern trolling" than it's what I'm doing and I'm glad that you're completely open to planting some trees along that road. Good projects include attention to the surrounding streetscape and I'm 100% on board with that project if something was done to remedy its deficiency.
 
Out of Towner said:
Where's the streetscape? Another free loading developer? Or maybe the developers pockets aren't deep enough to have included any. This is the type of developer that upsets people in the neighborhood. Take a look at that picture and consider what that street and neighborhood would look like if everybody did the same as that developer.
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First of all, here's a hard reality which many seem to forget for some reason: Unless you live in an infill home completely built and financed by yourself, your house was built by a developer. Developers are who build the vast majority of our housing, no matter if its a single detached home or an apartment building. I'm not a fan of the extreme commodification of housing either, believe me, and I wish the provincial and federal governments would actually commit to a sustained and country-wide public housing program, but this is the reality of where we live.

Secondly, just like how there can be different styles, forms and orientations for houses, there can be the same for buildings. Windsor Terrace is going to look different than Westrich's project behind it and both look different than the Bentley beside them. Regarding the scale of the building, I'd like to point out that, due to restrictive zoning laws of the past, there is a lot of latent demand for housing in Windsor Park as it borders the largest institution in the entire city and what is essentially our second downtown. If a more natural increase of density happened over time in Windsor Park, projects like this could've panned out differently, but higher-density projects are the outcome of artificially suppressing growth in areas of high land value.

Out of Towner said:
It's really unfortunate that a utility service corridor had to be run around what looks like around the entire building. Wonder if the developer could plant some trees in the boulevard across the street as a compromise? Also wonder if the development in the block to the east will rip out the trees and not replant any.
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Unless there's an exception, like with Windsor Terrace specifically, every project has minimum landscaping requirements as set out in the Zoning Bylaw. Also, I'd personally blame lackluster road and street design for a lack of urban canopy in many areas around the city, especially along urban arterials like 87th avenue. Having well-landscaped boulevards and park spaces is critical in urban environments, I agree, but that's majorly the city's responsibility. I wish we could reconfigure/take lanes off of many large roads and make beautiful boulevards with large trees, wide sidewalks and cycle paths, but that would make too many people mad in the short term so it most likely won't happen.
 
The minimum landscaping requirement for the Windsor Park project was a sidewalk and the developer has complied with that standard as we can see. Fortunately there are some developers and people who can and will do more than a sidewalk.
 
There is probably the exception but generally speaking, the Windsor Park residents take pride in their community and do more than a sidewalk to landscape their property. I believe that it's why developers are attracted to some of the mature established inner city communities and will market their product accordingly.
 
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