Windsor Terrace | ?m | 12s | Pagaro Investments | Hodgson Schilf Evans

[Vacs]

The minimum landscaping requirement for the Windsor Park project was a sidewalk and the developer has complied with that standard as we can see. Fortunately there are some developers and people who can and will do more than a sidewalk.

Minimum wasn't just a sidewalk as many people have mentioned previously.

There were plans for trees along the sidewalk. Epcor said no due to their power lines running under the sidewalk for multiple reasons.

There were also plans for a bunch of planters to which the city said no.

So maybe before bashing a developer. Learn the facts

 

[bodsbods9090]

Minimum wasn't just a sidewalk as many people have mentioned previously.

There were plans for trees along the sidewalk. Epcor said no due to their power lines running under the sidewalk for multiple reasons.

There were also plans for a bunch of planters to which the city said no.

So maybe before bashing a developer. Learn the facts

The cost to move these isn't worth worrying about some landscaping either.

 

[Out of Towner]

Minimum wasn't just a sidewalk as many people have mentioned previously.

There were plans for trees along the sidewalk. Epcor said no due to their power lines running under the sidewalk for multiple reasons.

There were also plans for a bunch of planters to which the city said no.

So maybe before bashing a developer. Learn the facts

A utility corridor could explain why the south side of the development isn't landscaped but if the pictures presented are still an accurate representation of the project, it appears that the west of the building is landscaped with only a sidewalk too. Strange that the utility corridor was not know about when the plans were drawn up. Is any of the flatwork done in anything more than concrete?

 

[northlands]

West side of the building has trees planted adjacent to the sidewalk, but just not in front of the CRU space.

@Vacs any idea why the City said no to planters?

 

[Vacs]

West side of the building has trees planted adjacent to the sidewalk, but just not in front of the CRU space.

@Vacs any idea why the City said no to planters?

It is city property, they didn't want to be responsible for the maintenance, which the developer offered to take care of but it would have automatically gone to the city regardless

 

[Vacs]

A utility corridor could explain why the south side of the development isn't landscaped but if the pictures presented are still an accurate representation of the project, it appears that the west of the building is landscaped with only a sidewalk too. Strange that the utility corridor was not know about when the plans were drawn up. Is any of the flatwork done in anything more than concrete?

There is landscaping to be done near the alley on the west side

 

[Canadian 001]

Did Pagaro Go out of Business After this Project?
Or are they planning a Follow Up?

 

[Out of Towner]

It is city property, they didn't want to be responsible for the maintenance, which the developer offered to take care of but it would have automatically gone to the city regardless

In other words, the developer was unable to landscape its own property to the same or higher standard than that of most other community residents because of the city.

 

[thommyjo]

In other words, the developer was unable to landscape its own property to the same or higher standard than that of most other community residents because of the city.

Just to be clear…. By community residents you mean these homes that surround the park this building is next to…?

You’re right. Sooo well landscaped . “wOnT sOmEbOdY tHiNk AbOuT nEiGhBoUrHoOd ChArAcTeR?!”

Not trying to be a jerk ahha. I just don’t think it’s factually true to say there’s a high standard of landscaping for all, or even most, homes in the area. Many, both new and old, are poorly landscaped and maintained.

 

[Out of Towner]

Just to be clear…. By community residents you mean these homes that surround the park this building is next to…?

You’re right. Sooo well landscaped . “wOnT sOmEbOdY tHiNk AbOuT nEiGhBoUrHoOd ChArAcTeR?!”

Not trying to be a jerk ahha. I just don’t think it’s factually true to say there’s a high standard of landscaping for all, or even most, homes in the area. Many, both new and old, are poorly landscaped and maintained.

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[Out of Towner]

Pagaro Investments isn't obligated to do more than the minimum. It should fit right in with those that can't do more.

 

[Vacs]

In other words, the developer was unable to landscape its own property to the same or higher standard than that of most other community residents because of the city.

You don't make any sense.

The building is on property line. The sidewalks are city.

The developer built to what the city wanted on city property.

The trees that were suppose to be planted on the south side walk was turned down by epcor.

Why don't you tell us all what this developer should have done

 

[Out of Towner]

The revenue per door generated by the building would have improved if its footprint was moved off of the property line to allow for upgraded landscaping. It's an old way of thinking to build right up to the property line particularly in a residential setting. Even commercial projects are trending towards increasing public space rather than building right up to the property line and pouring a sidewalk.

 

[northlands]

The revenue per door generated by the building would have improved if its footprint was moved off of the property line to allow for upgraded landscaping. It's an old way of thinking to build right up to the property line particularly in a residential setting. Even commercial projects are trending towards increasing public space rather than building right up to the property line and pouring a sidewalk.

Pagaro took over this project as a hole in the ground after a different developer defaulted on the project during excavation.. wasn't much they could feasibly do to adjust the building setback footprint at that point.

 

[Out of Towner]

If the piles aren't placed then the setback can be modified but how in the hell does a developer default during the excavation stage of a project?