Edmonton City Centre Mall (Renovations) | ?m | 2s | LaSalle Investment Management

[Gronk!]

I believe it was Taco Bell that was in the old Eaton Centre food court. With KFC already in Elevate, it would make sense for Taco Bell to return and take up the McDonalds space next door to KFC..

Taco Time was in the Telus/ATB food court before COVID closed it down.

 

[cmd uw]

I believe it was Taco Bell that was in the old Eaton Centre food court. With KFC already in Elevate, it would make sense for Taco Bell to return and take up the McDonalds space next door to KFC..

Taco Time was in the Telus/ATB food court before COVID closed it down.

That is correct.

I still believe that McDonald's will make it's way back in the core. Makes zero sense not to have one.

 

[Edmcowboy11]

That is correct.

I still believe that McDonald's will make it's way back in the core. Makes zero sense not to have one.

Yeah, it makes me wonder. It's sorta surprising that some other multinational chains aren't throughout the downtown. McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's, Taco Bell, Jolibee, Mary Browns, Carl's Jr., Wendy's, Dairy Queen, Popeyes, Tokyo Express, etc...

 

[Gronk!]

Yeah, it makes me wonder. It's sorta surprising that some other multinational chains aren't throughout the downtown. McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's, Taco Bell, Jolibee, Mary Browns, Carl's Jr., Wendy's, Dairy Queen, Popeyes, Tokyo Express, etc...

Maybe not in downtown proper but within the vicinity:

• McDonalds is on 104 Ave just west of 116 St
• Mary Browns is in Unity Square east of the Safeway.
• Wendys is on 104 Ave/110 St
• Dairy Queen is on Jasper Ave/112 St
• Popeyes is near Jasper Ave/109 St
• Tokyo Express is between 116 St and Safeway

 

[MacLac]

Yeah, it makes me wonder. It's sorta surprising that some other multinational chains aren't throughout the downtown. McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's, Taco Bell, Jolibee, Mary Browns, Carl's Jr., Wendy's, Dairy Queen, Popeyes, Tokyo Express, etc...

Paul, if you've been to any city on the West Coast from Seattle, Portland, SF to LA - there are ZERO.ZERO fast food joints in their CBD's. So it's not just us. If Subway has to hire security guards to keep out the dredge of society - there not enough foot longs in the world that they can sell to make up the difference.

 

[David A]

Maybe not in downtown proper but within the vicinity:

• McDonalds is on 104 Ave just west of 116 St
• Mary Browns is in Unity Square east of the Safeway.
• Wendys is on 104 Ave/110 St
• Dairy Queen is on Jasper Ave/112 St
• Popeyes is near Jasper Ave/109 St
• Tokyo Express is between 116 St and Safeway

116 Street is a bit of a hike from the downtown core especially if you don't want to drive. I think the big international chains will eventually figure out things are recovering and open more central locations here, but they are generally aren't the fastest to act or figure these things out.

A location near ICE District may make sense for some of these, but there are a number of spaces available now in the downtown core or in the mall. Of course those that are faster will probably get the better locations.

 

[David A]

Paul, if you've been to any city on the West Coast from Seattle, Portland, SF to LA - there are ZERO.ZERO fast food joints in their CBD's. So it's not just us. If Subway has to hire security guards to keep out the dredge of society - there not enough foot longs in the world that they can sell to make up the difference.

So a mall location with existing security may make more sense for some of these. I just went to TO and didn't see a lot of stand alone fast food places in the CBD, but the food court in Eaton Centre was sure busy and I was there after lunch time.

 

[Coprolite]

Yeah, it makes me wonder. It's sorta surprising that some other multinational chains aren't throughout the downtown. McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's, Taco Bell, Jolibee, Mary Browns, Carl's Jr., Wendy's, Dairy Queen, Popeyes, Tokyo Express, etc...

Eh. Their absence creates a zone of opportunity for smaller players.

 

[Greenspace]

All hail A&W that never closed during the pandemic.

 

[Edmcowboy11]

Eh. Their absence creates a zone of opportunity for smaller players.

As much as I agree to see more local smaller players, it's not like they've been squeezed out of the market. Thinking of food courts there is as we know an entirely empty food court in the Stantec tower.

 

[David A]

As much as I agree to see more local smaller players, it's not like they've been squeezed out of the market. Thinking of food courts there is as we know an entirely empty food court in the Stantec tower.

Yes, that's true lots of spaces there for the taking now and have been for a while. But probably just as many local smaller ones have closed over the last several years as the big chains.

The Standard Life Food Court which closed was all local, Enterprise Square One also and of course there was a well known long time local one in the former Scotia Place Food Court which closed too.

And I know of one small local franchise (not of a big international one) that was looking at opening another location in Stantec a few years ago, but of course that turned to crud. I suppose there is still a window of opportunity for some new more nimble small local ones to come in, but I feel the bigger ones will eventually figure out things have improved.

 

[Gronk!]

All hail A&W that never closed during the pandemic.

I still think an A&W should open in the Stantec Tower or in the Connect Centre to commemorate the A&W that was located next to the Greyhound bus terminal for a long long time.

 

[TAS]

Many cities do have malls in their city centres but I would would like to see this mall turned inside out as some previous plans have shown.

Edmonton has many popular malls and I think for dt to provide a different experience we need to go back to providing more of a main street experience on more of our city blocks.

If people want to go to a mall, they've got lots of great choices for that.

Went to a movie on the weekend and even if there were more stores, this mall looks dated and tired as is anyway.

Of if we're keeping the place, let's find different uses to serve the community in a beneficial way with different experiences.

 

[erudyk_29]

Many cities do have malls in their city centres but I would would like to see this mall turned inside out as some previous plans have shown.

Edmonton has many popular malls and I think for dt to provide a different experience we need to go back to providing more of a main street experience on more of our city blocks.

If people want to go to a mall, they've got lots of great choices for that.

Went to a movie on the weekend and even if there were more stores, this mall looks dated and tired as is anyway.

Of if we're keeping the place, let's find different uses to serve the community in a beneficial way with different experiences.

I like the idea but might propose to keep some indoor sections.

One of the attractions of a mall in a context like Edmonton is being able to get that "main street" experience without having to deal with the cold. Downtown Edmonton already hollows out somewhat in the winter time in my experience, and losing an indoor shopping area would make this even worse.

So it could sort of be an indoor/outdoor hybrid. I also think incorporating some residential towers would be good as well.

I think The Well in Toronto would be good example to follow.

 

[David A]

I like the idea but might propose to keep some indoor sections.

One of the attractions of a mall in a context like Edmonton is being able to get that "main street" experience without having to deal with the cold. Downtown Edmonton already hollows out somewhat in the winter time in my experience, and losing an indoor shopping area would make this even worse.

So it could sort of be an indoor/outdoor hybrid. I also think incorporating some residential towers would be good as well.

I think The Well in Toronto would be good example to follow.

Yes and lest we forget Toronto actually has both. In addition to Well, Eaton Centre is primarily an indoor mall. I think we should aspire to a bit of both also and not be limited to just one way in our approach.