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Arc Smart Fare System

I don't like that sort of edge-case thinking (also because I kind of want free transit). I say make the service as convenient as possible! That should be the #1 priority. More convenience = more ridership = more net revenue; most people aren't looking to cheat the system!
I agree 100%, those are really great points!

We don't have gates in the LRT system (thankfully)!
Aaron Paquette says that administration looked into those, but the increase in fare recovery they'd bring wouldn't displace the costs involved. It just goes to show that, like you said, it's better to improve service delivery than trying to squeeze every penny out of riders.
 
I agree 100%, those are really great points!


Aaron Paquette says that administration looked into those, but the increase in fare recovery they'd bring wouldn't displace the costs involved. It just goes to show that, like you said, it's better to improve service delivery than trying to squeeze every penny out of riders.
Vancouver thought the same before they got them and realized fare evasion was a lot worse than expected
 
Curious why you say thankfully?
Partly this:
...I kind of want free transit...

At the core, because they don't really tackle a meaningful problem. To me, I prefer more transit use over squeezing every penny out of people. Who is most likely to evade a fare? Someone who is either struggling to make ends meet, or someone who is just a bad actor. In the case of the latter, gates are easily circumvented, especially since we don't have a lot of "eyes on the street". If gates are built to be very obstructive, that makes the system feel more like a prison rather than a people-focused mover.

Combined with the possibility of automatic gates causing accessibility problems (e.g. a turnstile or gate catching on a loose strap on a stroller or wheelchair), that that they're another set of equipment we'd need to purchase and install (smart fare procurement leaves me pessimistic), and that they could fail at any point, further restricting access (like the escalators that never fail to fail - even now there's not copious amount of traffic and snow to blame)...

I think transit needs to be as welcoming and convenient as possible to become an enticing alternative to driving; the barriers of adding barriers are significantly greater than the benefits.
 
Took the train yesterday and completely forgot to tap off at Clareview and still haven't been charged which is a bit surprising, would have thought they'd just assume my journey and charge me overnight. Curious how long it takes for the card to be charged when you forget to tap.

Also looking at the capping status, my ETS fares seem to be counting towards non-ETS caps. Not sure if this is intended behaviour or if they just haven't programmed the system in a way to differentiate the different types of fare yet.
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Took the train yesterday and completely forgot to tap off at Clareview and still haven't been charged which is a bit surprising, would have thought they'd just assume my journey and charge me overnight. Curious how long it takes for the card to be charged when you forget to tap.

Also looking at the capping status, my ETS fares seem to be counting towards non-ETS caps. Not sure if this is intended behaviour or if they just haven't programmed the system in a way to differentiate the different types of fare yet.
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The cap thing is definitely a bug, and the first one probably is as well; please make sure you report them on the online platform they gave pilot participants! Regarding caps: Other participants I heard from have tried transferring between systems, and their caps have been applied correctly - applying only to the local/commuter systems that they tapped for.
 
View attachment 386144It looks like you can now scan while the bus is in motion/doors are closed
There was an issue with some scanners where when the doors opened, they'd remain on the "Door closed, do not scan" screen. I think this is their workaround, because it's more important to make tapping convenient than it is to stop the odd person from tapping off early (IE to avoid a commuter fare).
 
The head of the smart fare program told me this regarding the launch of Arc to all adult-fare paying riders: "The pilot is continuing as we sort through a few outstanding issues. While launch depends on the timing of the fixes, launch will likely be more toward July / August."
 
I have not followed this one as much as I could have, but can somebody please enlighten me on how this POS/ticketing/Fare system that has been used around the world for over two decades by far more complex systems than ours, often with various private/public lines and millions of users a day in some cases isn't a plug and play for a system as simple and small as ours? What am I missing here?
 
I have not followed this one as much as I could have, but can somebody please enlighten me on how this POS/ticketing/Fare system that has been used around the world for over two decades by far more complex systems than ours, often with various private/public lines and millions of users a day in some cases isn't a plug and play for a system as simple and small as ours? What am I missing here?
I know one area that makes it more complicated is the regional aspect of this. There's seven participating municipalities I believe, and each one has their own local + commuter fare structures. So the system needs to be able to dynamically calculate a lot of different fares for you if you're travelling throughout the region, and my friend who works as a transit planner in the region says it's really complicated under the hood. I don't know whether it's contributing to the problems they're facing though.
 
I know one area that makes it more complicated is the regional aspect of this. There's seven participating municipalities I believe, and each one has their own local + commuter fare structures. So the system needs to be able to dynamically calculate a lot of different fares for you if you're travelling throughout the region, and my friend who works as a transit planner in the region says it's really complicated under the hood. I don't know whether it's contributing to the problems they're facing though.
The software side can be tricky, but wholly solvable since they aren't integrating with existing legacy payment systems. They are building from scratch.

The biggest issues in my opinion are with the hardware. It takes too long to scan the card, if you tap immediately after someone else it might not recognize the card at all. Which is a shame because the hardware is also the hardest part to fix.
 
The software side can be tricky, but wholly solvable since they aren't integrating with existing legacy payment systems. They are building from scratch.

The biggest issues in my opinion are with the hardware. It takes too long to scan the card, if you tap immediately after someone else it might not recognize the card at all. Which is a shame because the hardware is also the hardest part to fix.
Agreed, it's a big shame. They partly fixed it by keeping the scanners on even when the buses are moving, so there's no delay to board/alight while waiting for the machine to register the doors opening. But that delay between scans is a pain. I wonder how they can find a balance between letting people know that their scans worked (and if they did not work, why they didn't) while quickly letting the next person scan as well. It could be a time delay they manually set? If so, perhaps they can keep the delay, but allow it to be overridden by the next person who scans. That could allow things to happen organically, where someone has the message if they need it, but if the next person scans, that probably means the first person's scan went through and they moved on from the scanner.
 

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