Stationlands Residential Towers | 90m | 25s | Qualico | DIALOG
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thommyjo
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Is the thinking that tower 2 might start after this leases up a bit? Or what might move the next phases forward?
Sure hope this thing can get renters and be successful.
Sure hope this thing can get renters and be successful.
MacLac
Senior Member
Well the half full glass group on here say that the 25 storey tower is proceeding as we speak. The glass half empty folk figure the tower is staying true to Qualico's press release and that it will go in 2025. As far as renting potential? I think it's potential went up 100 fold with the eyesore kitty corner to it boarded up and it's inhabitants spread north? If the current low rise fills up fast, once again - the tower should be a no-brainer and proceed even quicker.
archited
Senior Member
Well speaking for the glass-half-full crowd (who would want to be anything other unless you hate everything around you or you want to profess to know more than you actually do) there are several interesting points regarding the "25-storey tower":
1. on the Urban Design competition the tower in reference was shown to be 39 storeys not 25 in the rendered submission
2. the current construction pics show a floor that is comprised of a matrix of transfer beams -- a good hint that the proposed structure is going to be more than 25 storeys.
3. the last pics show the current construction efforts to be two levels above the podium with additional structural elements that are not accounted for in the structural rendering of a month-plus ago.
I believe that there is a re-design making its way through the plan-check process and that that will be known in the near future (30 to 60 days). Before anyone in the glass-half-empty crowd loses their sh*t I ask that they wait for the results that are surely imminent.
1. on the Urban Design competition the tower in reference was shown to be 39 storeys not 25 in the rendered submission
2. the current construction pics show a floor that is comprised of a matrix of transfer beams -- a good hint that the proposed structure is going to be more than 25 storeys.
3. the last pics show the current construction efforts to be two levels above the podium with additional structural elements that are not accounted for in the structural rendering of a month-plus ago.
I believe that there is a re-design making its way through the plan-check process and that that will be known in the near future (30 to 60 days). Before anyone in the glass-half-empty crowd loses their sh*t I ask that they wait for the results that are surely imminent.
MacLac
Senior Member
Oh geez - I was not aware that the Design competition up'd the 25 >>> 39 storeys!!! Yay!!!!
husky
Active Member
Looks like tower 1 is close to being topped out based on the renders.
Avenuer
Senior Member
That is not what the permit approved, so don't get your hopes up.
archited
Senior Member
Avenuer
Senior Member
There is an issued Development Permit for the 4-storey podium, 12-storey mid-rise (under construction) and 20-storey tower, but no Building Permit issued for the tower.
Total storeys when counting the podium:
Mid-rise: 17 storeys, 58m
Tower: 25 storeys, 91m
archited
Senior Member
The 25-storey tower has still not accounted for the two storeys above the podium that are in place. Last look they were forming for transfer beams.
Clearshades
Senior Member
Dear Lord, are we still arguing over this? THEY CAN'T CONTINUE WITHOUT A PERMIT PERIOD!
That said, the way the top is left, that indicates a permit will be sought shortly for they have left the construction in a "ready-to-go" manner. The transfer beam is not necessary for higher height hence why I asked (Ken) if the tower sat above the LRT line. Even an underground line near a tower's zone can created quite subtle vibrations,. Overtime that could contribute stress without reinforcements. Just a plausible theory. This LRT is permanent and will contribute to vibrations daily-especially when the line is built out to completion.. Your traditional building at this height will not require transfer beams unless conditions requires it.
That said, the way the top is left, that indicates a permit will be sought shortly for they have left the construction in a "ready-to-go" manner. The transfer beam is not necessary for higher height hence why I asked (Ken) if the tower sat above the LRT line. Even an underground line near a tower's zone can created quite subtle vibrations,. Overtime that could contribute stress without reinforcements. Just a plausible theory. This LRT is permanent and will contribute to vibrations daily-especially when the line is built out to completion.. Your traditional building at this height will not require transfer beams unless conditions requires it.
archited
Senior Member
They have continued without a permit PERIOD!!!
kcantor
Senior Member
that's quite an astounding accusation. even on an "anonymous" internet forum, that's a pretty slanderous statement PERIOD!!!
qualico was founded in 1950 and ledcor was founded in 1947. [full disclosure - i looked after qualico's commercial division for northern alberta for two decades which included the acquisition of station lands from cn and all of the initial planning and development right through to the completion of epcor tower].
do you really think that they would jeopardize their reputations and invalidate their insurance coverage - construction, liability and wcb - by building without permits?
Barnaby
Senior Member
I am glad they've continued "without a permit". I wanna see this area built up asap.
archited
Senior Member
Ken, I do not believe that they are carelessly building without a permit (that is a fact!) but I also have faith in my own eyes vis-a-vis what has been photographed in process on site. You, on the other hand, refuse to acknowledge that they are 2 levels above the podium and are building out transfer beams at that level. The answer I believe (and have said so previously) is that their tower plans are currently in Plan-check and that they are complying with inspection requirements by going as far as they can before their permit is approved by way of completion of Plan-check (i.e. they are not covering anything up that needs to be inspected once the building permit is issued). And as to @Avenuer's comments about Development Permit's approval for 25 Storeys for the tower being considered -- it just might be that the hold-up for Building Permit Approval might be related to an increase in tower height and a reworking of the Development Permit (subtended by extra work being developed at the Parking Level/Footings level).
So -- to be very clear -- I believe that if there is no building permit issued for the current above podium work on the second residential tower that is situated on the currently existing podium base, then Qualico and thereby Ledcor are prepping for work that will fall into a "current" status by building out as much as they can -- pre-inspection -- while their permits are being readied (perhaps "Development" and most certainly "Building").
So -- to be very clear -- I believe that if there is no building permit issued for the current above podium work on the second residential tower that is situated on the currently existing podium base, then Qualico and thereby Ledcor are prepping for work that will fall into a "current" status by building out as much as they can -- pre-inspection -- while their permits are being readied (perhaps "Development" and most certainly "Building").