IanO
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Who remembers the hotel, conference centre, arena and rental tower(s) proposal just east of the waterpark?
Valley Line LRT | TransEd/Marigold | City of Edmonton
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Habibfazil
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On the south or north side of the mall. I am surprised the apartment complex just south of the miz hasn't been redeveloped yet, it would be a gold mine.
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IanO
Superstar
^south side of the mall
^it's a long-term plan for the owner.
^it's a long-term plan for the owner.
David A
Senior Member
I am thinking those apartments predate the mall and maybe even the hospital. Now with the LRT, coming that would be an even better location for higher density residential.
thommyjo
Senior Member
175k in February. Or about 6000/day.
Expectations were 30k/day. Source: https://andrewknack.ca/blog/valley-line-lrt
20% of expectations is concerning, no?
Expectations were 30k/day. Source: https://andrewknack.ca/blog/valley-line-lrt
20% of expectations is concerning, no?
dunno
Active Member
Outside of rush hour, the trains are never busy and are frequently very empty I've noticed. While the Capital Line does not have traffic volumes outside of peak hours, it does seem to retain ridership better outside of those hours.
Kosy123
Active Member
I still think the numbers are undercounted, but we’ll probably see increased usage as the summer hits most likely. The nicer weather always brings out a significant amount of people in my experience during the weekends.
thommyjo
Senior Member
It’s 10% or less of capital line ridership. So even if we are undercounting both, it’s dramatically less than it should be vs projections.
occidentalcapital
Senior Member
Lower Than expected for sure
Hopefully will prompt an examination of safety, fare evasion and maybe change some thinking about travel speed
Hopefully will prompt an examination of safety, fare evasion and maybe change some thinking about travel speed
fromyeg
Active Member
Is there any possibility of the VLSE getting full Transit Signal Priority (TSP)?
Seems like an easy way to increase average speed.
(I’m also hopeful that as the years progress we’ll see continued development along the line which will further increase ridership.)
Seems like an easy way to increase average speed.
(I’m also hopeful that as the years progress we’ll see continued development along the line which will further increase ridership.)
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Gronk!
Senior Member
I'm looking at Millwoods Town Centre, Davies Transit Centre and Bonnie Doon Shopping Centre.
dkazzed
Active Member
I wonder what the Capital Line's historical ridership was.
Vancouver's Expo Line was 21,000 per weekday on average post Expo 86. Everyone starts from somewhere.
Many of the studies I see say that light rail, particularly traffic-integrated light rail, does not attract nearly as many passengers as higher speed metro options. I'm still hopeful there is potential along the corridor.
Vancouver's Expo Line was 21,000 per weekday on average post Expo 86. Everyone starts from somewhere.
Many of the studies I see say that light rail, particularly traffic-integrated light rail, does not attract nearly as many passengers as higher speed metro options. I'm still hopeful there is potential along the corridor.
The_Cat
Senior Member
Edmonton's early LRT didn't start out strong either. Also, were these ARC card boardings, or were these achieved through statistical modelling. An example here.
thommyjo
Senior Member
Didn’t say methodology unfortunately.
One hope is that these are from ARC data and capital line numbers are from head count extrapolations of sorts and that a good chunk of discrepancies could be non paying, or non tapping customers.
But even still, say the real number is 12k, not 6k. There’s no way it’s anywhere close to 50% or projections. Which feels like a massive failure.
New rail, for billions, should also increase overall transit use, not just replace buses. So hopefully at the end of 2024 we have a sense of if overall net trips increased vs just trains replacing buses but ridership/use staying flat.
If we want to hit our 50% goal of non car travel for all trips, we likely need 25% of that to be transit, 3-4% biking, and 12% walking.
We’re around 9-11% transit right now if I remember correctly. So this line needs to boost us a few percent, and WVLRT another few too. If these two can’t get us close to 20%, then I don’t think the 50% goal will be reached. Capital south barely opens up much more ridership. Metro NW will be good, but likely only a few % bump too.
EdwardEdm
Active Member
Do you have a source for that?