LRT Safety

[MacLac]

That chart is really not good. It looks like we started in a similar place to Calgary and Toronto, but it increased a lot more here and hasn't come back down much.

Also worse here than Vancouver and Winnipeg. Something is wrong here that still needs a lot more effort and attention to deal with and improve.

I'm sure every city reports a transit "crime" differently.....it's probably just a case of apples to oranges.......all it takes is 1 young, inexperienced, rookie transit cop to skew the stats for the entire city on "inaccurate" reporting.....

 

[thommyjo]

In the underground stations the easy solution is obvious imo: You put the faregates in front of the stairs/escalators leading to and from the platforms. Stations like Southgate and Century Park could also have faregates at the pedway entrances. Others like Mckernan Belgravia, all Valley Line stops (elevated stations could have them) and newer high-floor stations will be more difficult or even impossible unfortunately unless major renovations are done.

Do you usually run into problems after or before those though? The piss, needles, slumped over people, knives, etc are usually between street entrances and the platform stairs/escalators. Fare gates don’t fix that.

Like it’s great for the train to be safer. But the methhead screaming in the narrow stairwell will still deter most people…

 

[ADob]

And those stairways are tight and dark, i.e., perfect for doing criminal things. If I had to take the train regularly, I'd definitely get out at the most open staircase, not the one closest to my place. Personally I'm so over these asshats that my fear would be me getting yelly at them and it ending badly.

 

[Glenco]

That chart is really not good. It looks like we started in a similar place to Calgary and Toronto, but it increased a lot more here and hasn't come back down much.

Also worse here than Vancouver and Winnipeg. Something is wrong here that still needs a lot more effort and attention to deal with and improve.

It also coincides with the time the city decided it would be a good idea for homeless people to camp out in Churchill station at night. Another one of their brilliant ideas.

 

[Platinum107]

Do you usually run into problems after or before those though? The piss, needles, slumped over people, knives, etc are usually between street entrances and the platform stairs/escalators. Fare gates don’t fix that.

Like it’s great for the train to be safer. But the methhead screaming in the narrow stairwell will still deter most people…

Ur totally right, we should have the faregates at the entrances that lead underground. It will be more expensive and complicated to implement them tho, and I think entrances may need to be closed/reconfigured as part of a larger project which would reduce accessibility. It would've been great if faregates were included as part of the Downtown CRL improvements...

 

[thommyjo]

Ur totally right, we should have the faregates at the entrances that lead underground. It will be more expensive and complicated to implement them tho, and I think entrances may need to be closed/reconfigured as part of a larger project which would reduce accessibility. It would've been great if faregates were included as part of the Downtown CRL improvements...

But then you have to pay to simply walk through the pedways? The tunnels are also pedestrian infrastructure. Not just for trains.

 

[David A]

But then you have to pay to simply walk through the pedways? The tunnels are also pedestrian infrastructure. Not just for trains.

Yes, you can not and should not restrict a system that has many so access points and is used by other people than transit riders too.

I often go through the tunnels and pedways to also go to places downtown and do not find the stairwells or hallways as bad or as scary as some seem to. Yes there are sometimes people loitering there, usually not too long and not in large groups. So I don't think this is the point where we should focus on restricting access. It should instead be the platforms and trains, where people can not as quickly get by or avoid problems.

 

[yeggator]

I think that the solution is to consolidate all of the entrances for the

Ur totally right, we should have the faregates at the entrances that lead underground. It will be more expensive and complicated to implement them tho, and I think entrances may need to be closed/reconfigured as part of a larger project which would reduce accessibility. It would've been great if faregates were included as part of the Downtown CRL improvements...

I still don't think faregates are the solution when the money could be better spent on transit peace officers. What we should do is use CRL money consolidate all the station entrances for each downtown station so that everyone coming from street level or pedways has to access the platform via a single wide entrance with good lighting and sightlines. Then have a TPO stationed in this area who can readily respond to incidents on and off the platform.

 

[degrandprix]

I think that the solution is to consolidate all of the entrances for the

I still don't think faregates are the solution when the money could be better spent on transit peace officers. What we should do is use CRL money consolidate all the station entrances for each downtown station so that everyone coming from street level or pedways has to access the platform via a single wide entrance with good lighting and sightlines. Then have a TPO stationed in this area who can readily respond to incidents on and off the platform.

Agreed, each station having 6 different entrances makes them all low-traffic and more susceptible to loitering, harder to monitor.

 

[thommyjo]

I think that the solution is to consolidate all of the entrances for the

I still don't think faregates are the solution when the money could be better spent on transit peace officers. What we should do is use CRL money consolidate all the station entrances for each downtown station so that everyone coming from street level or pedways has to access the platform via a single wide entrance with good lighting and sightlines. Then have a TPO stationed in this area who can readily respond to incidents on and off the platform.

Consolidation could be worthwhile. Some of the entrances are tough and hard to fix.