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LRT Expansion Planning

I think definitely when the station at the end of the capital Line opens there will be an increase in the ridership of course but I do think as well that the return to offices is going to help a lot on the capital line and the valley line. The one thing I've noticed in the past couple weeks is that the Davies Park and Ride parking lot is actually starting to get fuller and fuller every time I show up to park. At one point in time there were barely any cars on the back side parking lot but now when I arrive there are cars on a regular basis parking in spots that never used to see any cars in them so I think people more and more are discovering the Valley Line which will of course help the overall numbers as people start using the park and ride.
 
I think definitely when the station at the end of the capital Line opens there will be an increase in the ridership of course but I do think as well that the return to offices is going to help a lot on the capital line and the valley line. The one thing I've noticed in the past couple weeks is that the Davies Park and Ride parking lot is actually starting to get fuller and fuller every time I show up to park. At one point in time there were barely any cars on the back side parking lot but now when I arrive there are cars on a regular basis parking in spots that never used to see any cars in them so I think people more and more are discovering the Valley Line which will of course help the overall numbers as people start using the park and ride.
An easily accessible Park’n’Ride in the South Side will be a boon for Capital Line ridership. The ridership on the line actually peaked in 2014, and although that was before the oil glut recession, it was also the last year that Century Park station had free parking, and it was always full. There is currently no station with tons of free parking on the south leg, which always made it less enticing for me to take the LRT during off-peak hours, when the long waits for bus connections become a concern.
 
There is too much focus on the crime element. The airport is barely back to pre Covid numbers and as far as I know they never had a serious crime issue.
Yes, but do we really want the level of security and screening on transit that airports have? Also, for long distance trips there is not a lot of good alternatives to flying, whereas transit already has to compete against often more convenient or faster alternatives. So it has to try deliver as good as an experience as possible.
 
Yes, but do we really want the level of security and screening on transit that airports have? Also, for long distance trips there is not a lot of good alternatives to flying, whereas transit already has to compete against often more convenient or faster alternatives. So it has to try deliver as good as an experience as possible.
The only point I was trying to make was that there are many elements to post Covid recovery that are common to all transit modes yet we have to much of a focus on crime on public transit that has not changed much. In fact in recent times it is getting better. Please no more dissertations on why the modes are different.
 
I think that the experiments will have worked for the most part although if we had gone with high floor trains I think the only difference would have been slightly taller platforms. The one metric that he was mentioning there that I do like is the significant amount of multi-units residential buildings that are being built at a number of LRT station on both the whole floor and high floor line
 
I just wish that in the suburbs (south of Davies Station and west of WEM Station), we could maintain higher speeds with more grade separation and crossing gates. Build urban LRT in urban neighborhoods, but don’t shoehorn that into the suburbs, where TOD is more difficult and speed is king. Also, full signal priority everywhere. The Valley Line should never slow down or stop for a traffic light, cars be damned. As for the Metro Line and Capital Line, they’re designed go high speed and we should keep it that way.
 
I think we should redesign some of the LRT crossings at freeway interchanges to reduce vehicle-LRT interactions. 111th Street is a mess for traffic and blocked left turns, while 75th Street has heavy truck traffic that keeps hitting the trains.

111th Street/Whitemud Drive
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75th Street/Whitemud Drive
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87th Avenue/Anthony Henday Drive
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I think the one challenge at 75 Street is the heavy petrochemical equipment being carted out of Edmonton to Fort Saskatchewan or Fort McMurray.
 
Myself and another volunteer with the Edmonton Radial Railway Society Archive scanned a bunch of LRT-related documents in our collection, and I thought you might find them interesting. There are three sections:

-The main folder primarily has reports and plans, operations manuals, and some magazine articles from when the line opened.

-The sub-folder "Bob Clark Documents" has material donated by Robert Clark and his estate. Robert was an ERRS member and ETS staff who was instrumental in setting up Edmonton's LRT system. As such, these documents are primarily from the mid-70s, and include documents related to key decision points about station and system design, meeting minutes and memos from the team of city staff planning the system, and even a draft council report (complete with markup and some commentary) requesting approval for procuring the U2s. One of my favourite finds in this group of documents was a memo where the operations section of ETS expressed concern that the design of the north-east line was too subway-esque, and would decrease support of *true* lrt designs like what they wanted introduced in the future (a fear that ended up coming true as we see with pushback to the Valley Line's design), and that it would also increase the risk of the federal transportation authority practicing oversight on the system (since it oversees railways, but not street railways/tramways, so that distinction matters a lot).

-The third folder has photos that Robert took of system construction, LRV delivery, early service, etc.

If you do discuss/share the documents or photos anywhere, please just give credit to Robert Clark and the ERRS Archive where applicable. I hope you find some of this stuff interesting.

Just thought some would find this interesting: We recently scanned/uploaded a high floor LRT design guide from the early 1980s. Unlike the current design guide, this early one has a ton of narrative about what LRT is/can be, why certain decisions were made in Edmonton, etc. Super interesting glimpse into how the fathers of our LRT system imagined it growing from there.
 
Just thought some would find this interesting: We recently scanned/uploaded a high floor LRT design guide from the early 1980s. Unlike the current design guide, this early one has a ton of narrative about what LRT is/can be, why certain decisions were made in Edmonton, etc. Super interesting glimpse into how the fathers of our LRT system imagined it growing from there.

This is cool.

It also makes me sad that we went so long without expanding the LRT system. 😢
 
This is cool.

It also makes me sad that we went so long without expanding the LRT system. 😢
For all the complaints now, the late 1980's and early 1990's were bleak for many years in terms of building and expansion. After that we have had to do a lot of catch up.

Although, I recall not many problems with loitering and safety in the LRT stations downtown back then.
 

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