Stantec Tower | 250.84m | 66s | ICE District Prop.

What do you think of this project?

  • Total voters
    64
IanO said:
Terrible logic/incident relationship.

I don't disagree, but water incidents can happen anywhere, anytime and SUCK.
Click to expand...
It's not completely unrelated. My brother lived in the Tour des Canadiens in Montreal for a year. They had a catastrophic failure of their elevator system. For 3 days he had to walk up 36 flights of stairs to his place. Then for another week only one elevator worked for 50 floors and it was manually operated by a staff, you had to call the concierge desk and wait for them to come get you which could take half an hour or more. Happened to coincide with my visit, glad we are both in decent shape. I sent him Edmonton's post with a "Sound Familiar?".

Yes, incidents can happen anywhere. But the consequences are way worse in a supertall. If the elevator went out in our 4 story I wouldn't even blink.
 
It sounds like the valve that blew was on the mechanical floor. And Ogilvie LLP office was quite nice and will take quite some time to remediate I fear.
 
This isn't going to be a small insurance claim.

They are doing their assessments today and looking at reopening unaffected floors as early as tomorrow.
 
IanO said:
Terrible logic/incident relationship.

I don't disagree, but water incidents can happen anywhere, anytime and SUCK.
Click to expand...
Yes, it most definitely can happen anywhere. But the impact and size of damages are far less when you have a shorter building.
 
I've had some insurance reviews after water breaks in shorter towers. If not caught quickly they still add up. Had one pex line that cracked. was more than 2 mill damage when found.

However depending on what broke could add to the cost, especially if it was a glycol line. But I seem to remember the most above 28 is cooling plant and domestic water storage. If it was a feed for the upper mech room on 69 then we have a large volume.
 
archited said:
Pex is susceptible to cracking?
Click to expand...
it is particularly sensitive to sunlight/UV with potential exposure and deterioration pre as well as post construction; to various chlorine/chloraminr solutions (particularly at higher concentrations and moreso in combination with hot water); to repeated exposure to freezing; and joints are susceptible to damage from “water hammering”.

I don’t know if that qualifies PEX as being “susceptible to cracking” but it certainly isn’t immune to cracking.
 
kcantor said:
it is particularly sensitive to sunlight/UV with potential exposure and deterioration pre as well as post construction; to various chlorine/chloraminr solutions (particularly at higher concentrations and moreso in combination with hot water); to repeated exposure to freezing; and joints are susceptible to damage from “water hammering”.

I don’t know if that qualifies PEX as being “susceptible to cracking” but it certainly isn’t immune to cracking.
Click to expand...
Yes it does crack. There was a service bulletin out some years back as well as a lawsuit or 2. The other, Aqatherm piping is also susceptible. They both have to be installed at specific temperatures. I only found this out when we were lookin at why we had some failures on some systems a few years later. PEX did change the chemistry to deal with some of the issues, but if the installers do not follow procedures things happen.
 
Thanks @Airboy this aligns with a recent restaurant I was involved with on the Design side of things. The owner hired a lawyer to sue and of course I got involved. A hot water line (PEX) split near the under-counter shut off valve. I took pictures and forwarded same to the owner's lawyer -- the plumber installed the line with a hard bend and -- fortunately -- I forewarned the plumber before the Final Inspection, suggesting (in writing) that there could be future problems. When a leak developed the plumber blamed it on PEX whereas the owner looked for proof of a poor installation. I have since been collecting (where I can) others' experiences. I have not lost faith in PEX -- I believe that it is still superior to copper if installed correctly and it is certainly an easier install from a labor perspective. I wonder what the issue was for Stantec tower.
 
Cleaning up some old pics/screen shots and came across this one.

Screenshot_20241219_214439_Gallery.jpg
 
You must log in or register to post here.

Back
Top