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Oilguy said:
The us being a next exporter doesn’t really mean they can afford a war on this. It’s where the crude is, the feedstock refiners need and how they get it will be the kicker. The Midwest refiners rely almost solely on the Enbridge mainline, and can’t just get that feedstock from anywhere. If there’s tarrifs or interruptions the entire Midwest is going to see an almost immediate price spike. I just don’t see how that will be avoided. Fen the gulf coast would have to start.p sourcing Venezuelan heavies to offset the loss of Canadian heavies.

You are right though, what a mess.
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Yes, PADD 2 & 4 would get hammered--but we're talking Americans having to pay higher gas prices (and the broader impacts of that) vs millions losing their entire livelihoods. Who is going to capitulate first? Probably not the country with the maniac at the helm who doesn't have to worry about seeking re-election.

Worse yet, it further incentivizes the United States to further retool their domestic O&G midstream and downstream capacity to become more independent off Canadian heavy sour. The Alberta oil patch isn't as vertically integrated with American corps as it used to be since CNRL went around buying out Shell, Chevron, Conoco, etc.
 
Oilguy said:
The us being a next exporter doesn’t really mean they can afford a war on this. It’s where the crude is, the feedstock refiners need and how they get it will be the kicker. The Midwest refiners rely almost solely on the Enbridge mainline, and can’t just get that feedstock from anywhere. If there’s tarrifs or interruptions the entire Midwest is going to see an almost immediate price spike. I just don’t see how that will be avoided. Fen the gulf coast would have to start.p sourcing Venezuelan heavies to offset the loss of Canadian heavies.

You are right though, what a mess.
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Yup a mess. Trump has done tariffs before but never to this likely scale.
 
trevorhayden said:
The second I read "Laurentian politicians" I know they have been radicalized by disinformation. Ignored. Blocked. Reported. Persona non grata.
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Oh yes, but some have figured out the only key to political success for their cause is to constantly stir up regional and other grievances, whether true or not.

By the way Poilievre's riding is in Ottawa and has been for a long time, another person born in the west who moved east. So by that standard isn't he also part of the Laurentian elite now too?
 
northlands said:
Yes, PADD 2 & 4 would get hammered--but we're talking Americans having to pay higher gas prices (and the broader impacts of that) vs millions losing their entire livelihoods. Who is going to capitulate first? Probably not the country with the maniac at the helm who doesn't have to worry about seeking re-election.

Worse yet, it further incentivizes the United States to further retool their domestic O&G midstream and downstream capacity to become more independent off Canadian heavy sour. The Alberta oil patch isn't as vertically integrated with American corps as it used to be since CNRL went around buying out Shell, Chevron, Conoco, etc.
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But would millions really lose thier jobs in Alberta? The refineries have to still nominate, it’s my position the oil still flows for the most part. Maybe losing a few hundred thousand barrels a day export. So I think the pain at the pump is faster than the pain here, and they can’t solve it that quickly. Repiping the continent and retooling refiinieries would take nearly a decade wouldn’t in?
 
Oilguy said:
But would millions really lose thier jobs in Alberta? The refineries have to still nominate, it’s my position the oil still flows for the most part. Maybe losing a few hundred thousand barrels a day export. So I think the pain at the pump is faster than the pain here, and they can’t solve it that quickly. Repiping the continent and retooling refiinieries would take nearly a decade wouldn’t in?
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It would be bumpy for corporate profits in the short term, but I don't think there would be huge job losses here unless this turned into a more long term problem.

I agree the pain at the pump could be quite noticeable in the US, so this could quickly force a change of plans by their tariff loving politicians.
 
David A said:
So by that standard isn't he also part of the Laurentian elite now too?
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Of course!

Much like someone can come from anywhere on earth and become Canadian by moving here, anyone can become Laurentian if they spend enough time there.

How is that not obvious?

You folks aren't the sort of bigots that think "you have to be born there to be considered..." are you?
 
HappyJazzz said:
Of course!

Much like someone can come from anywhere on earth and become Canadian by moving here, anyone can become Laurentian if they spend enough time there.

How is that not obvious?

You folks aren't the sort of bigots that think "you have to be born there to be considered..." are you?
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Elite isn't a place.
 
Whattagame said:
Elite isn't a place.
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Good God, I'm not sure what's worse, your literacy or your pilpul...

Seems like you aren't a fan of economic or social mobility, gotta be born into the right caste eh?

Well good news! There is still a place where such attitudes are not only welcome, but widely held!

PM me your contact info, I'd be glad to pay for your one way ticket there :)
 
HappyJazzz said:
Good God, I'm not sure what's worse, your literacy or your pilpul...

Seems like you aren't a fan of economic or social mobility, gotta be born into the right caste eh?

Well good news! There is still a place where such attitudes are not only welcome, but widely held!

PM me your contact info, I'd be glad to pay for your one way ticket there :)
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You literally just misinterpreted the post you responded to, so you shift goalposts and grunt, "Hurr durr, yer literacy!"

You're an unserious person.
 
Whattagame said:
Elite isn't a place.
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But the Laurentians are and anyone who has a high political office is elite IMO and that includes all opposition MP's.

So I feel the question is not about kicking out the "elite", but replacing one elite with another, which is one reason why I find the populist bs about elites and where they are from so dishonest.
 
David A said:
But the Laurentians are and anyone who has a high political office is elite IMO and that includes all opposition MP's.

So I feel the question is not about kicking out the "elite", but replacing one elite with another, which is one reason why I find the populist bs about elites and where they are from so dishonest.
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I was just responding to an imbecilic post with pedantry.

But what you say is pretty much correct with very rare exceptions.
 
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