Jasper Avenue New Vision / Imagine Jasper Avenue

[ChazYEG]

I'd like to point out that we should give kudos were deserved.
This stage of the project moved a lot faster than previous ones. And it feels, to me, that as of late the CoE (and the contractors) have started to get their act together as far as major construction projects go (VLW is moving way smoother than VLSE, this project has moved twice as fast as the previous phase, O'day'min Park was on schedule and on budget)...

 

[Greenspace]

3 year project but if construction only happens in summer months and road is mostly open during winter I'm fine with that.

 

[The_Cat]

 

[Gronk!]

It's been over 2 weeks since they reopened Jasper Ave, but they still haven't bothered replacing the old lights/traffic signals with the new lights/traffic signals. Have they suddenly decided to hibernate for the winter?

I also noticed that the new lights between 114 St - 117 St are not the same as the new lights that were installed in the 109 St - 114 St section a couple of years ago.

 

[buildings]

think maybe they went to the end-of-the-roll traffic light store and bought a mish-mash of stuff. wonder if they're going to leave all those barricades and safety cones out all through the winter.

 

[chrisvazquez7]

It's been over 2 weeks since they reopened Jasper Ave, but they still haven't bothered replacing the old lights/traffic signals with the new lights/traffic signals. Have they suddenly decided to hibernate for the winter?

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I also noticed that the new lights between 114 St - 117 St are not the same as the new lights that were installed in the 109 St - 114 St section a couple of years ago.

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Those standard streetlights must be temporary. Maybe the custom ones are on back order. I imagine the rest of the work (including finishing the stop lights at 116 Street and landscaping) will happen in the spring.

 

[_urbanite]

The traffic control lights are the same curved "walrus tusk" lights you see between 109 & 114 st.

110 st & Jasper Ave

112 st & Jasper Ave

 

[bodsbods9090]

Those standard streetlights must be temporary. Maybe the custom ones are on back order. I imagine the rest of the work (including finishing the stop lights at 116 Street and landscaping) will happen in the spring.

More than likely this.

I'm experiencing a lot of supply chain issues in my role too right now. However, I would think they would have ordered these WELL in advance.

OR, they did come in and failed testing on some sort on the users end and had to be sent back or they reordered?

 

[whattheheck]

The light design is horrid. The section on Jasper from 100 to 102 already looks dated and the bases the full of grim and always look dirty. This is another example of the 'most Edmonton thing you can do'.

You know what would have worked? A standard, black ornamental Glenora-style street lamp. Clean, simple, timeless, Human-scale.

 

[LibraLibro]

The light design is horrid. The section on Jasper from 100 to 102 already looks dated and the bases the full of grim and always look dirty. This is another example of the 'most Edmonton thing you can do'.

You know what would have worked? A standard, black ornamental Glenora-style street lamp. Clean, simple, timeless, Human-scale.

I agree. I’m also in love with the new street lamps recently installed around the legislature grounds. Probably the nicest ones I’ve seen in the entire city. A lovely traditional styled lamp would have been great along Jasper Ave to honour its historical importance.

 

[buildings]

the photo above (the basilica) shows the tusk shaped streetlights and the very industrial, 90 degree everywhere shorter posts for sidewalk lighting. I like them both on their own but my reaction to seeing them together is negative. The soft organic shape of the tusk is in unequal opposition to the orthographic rigidity of the smaller poles. It's a jenky juxtaposition. Also, I love Teddy's.

 

[archited]

Several posters on this site have wondered why Jasper Avenue couldn't have sequenced lights that enable motorists/cyclists to travel at a constance speed and thereby not have to stop at red lights. It is a mathematical impossibility to have two-way traffic sequenced to achieve that outcome. The best that could occur is having sequenced lights in one direction for portions of the cross-town distance at certain times of the day to benefit traffic moving in one direction, say westbound in the evening when people are leaving downtown from about 101street (eastbound traffic from 101 would have the opposite lanes sequenced then); and the opposite in the morning "rush-hour" traffic. Even then, the City blocks are not equal in length and unpredictable traffic snarls can throw sand in the gears of any attempt at a smooth always green ride.

 

[kcantor]

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While actual free flow - particularly in both directions - is likely not achievable except perhaps for short stretches, weather and road conditions and accidents etc. are ongoing variables that also make it harder to achieve. What can likely be done however is to plan for “half cycle” delays and to use much shorter cycles than Edmonton currently imposes. It’s one thing to wait 20 seconds for a light to change, it’s quite another to wait 90 seconds and that’s even worse for pedestrians who have much shorter “walk times” vs wait times as they need to wait through the full cross street cycle as well as their own “don’t walk” cycle.

https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop08024/chapter6.htm

 

[IanO]

 

[David A]

Several posters on this site have wondered why Jasper Avenue couldn't have sequenced lights that enable motorists/cyclists to travel at a constance speed and thereby not have to stop at red lights. It is a mathematical impossibility to have two-way traffic sequenced to achieve that outcome. The best that could occur is having sequenced lights in one direction for portions of the cross-town distance at certain times of the day to benefit traffic moving in one direction, say westbound in the evening when people are leaving downtown from about 101street (eastbound traffic from 101 would have the opposite lanes sequenced then); and the opposite in the morning "rush-hour" traffic. Even then, the City blocks are not equal in length and unpredictable traffic snarls can throw sand in the gears of any attempt at a smooth always green ride.

Pedestrians have also wondered why they can't have sequenced lights here, but when it comes to priority I suspect the order is as given, motorists first, cyclists second and pedestrians after that.

I realize the inherent conflicts given the different speeds everyone travels at. We don't have a very pedestrian friendly downtown because they at best an after thought or more often just ignored.