Valley Line LRT | TransEd/Marigold | City of Edmonton

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I don't think it's a question of not reading the signs or not knowing how to read the signs (surely, both skills should be in place before a driver's license is handed out). I think it's a problem of thinking that rules and signs simply do not apply because the driver is special. I see people turn right on red all the time. I see them speed through red daily. Keeping to the 40km/h speed limit downtown? Not likely.
If you put in bigger signs, surround them with flashing lights, and, indeed, add that valet idea (which, come on! would so add a classy feeling to the whole proceedings!), there will still be those who think they don't really need to follow these rules. I mean, they are special, aren't they?
As an aside, we were crossing 100 Ave by the Red Arrow. There is a very prominent "no right on red" sign. We watched a driver's ed car with a student at the wheel stop, hesitate, and then obviously say, eh, fuck it, and plow on through. I really wish I'd taken the guy's information because this is someone teaching someone else how to drive.
 
"IMO it is not that hard to look for and just follow the signs, but perhaps for some people it is." signage is not the problem, half streets and avenues that go no where is the problem. And that, my friend, was one of the most passive-aggressive sentences I've ever read.
 
buildings said:
half streets and avenues that go no where is the problem
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go nowhere for private motorized vehicles, you mean?
And if some streets not being all prioritized for private vehicles makes people simply disregard the rules that have been established AND well signaled, they should not be on the road. The level of entitlement from drivers is absolutely astonishing... So if the rules of the road don't suit them, they feel like it is within their rights to disregard them?
 
not just private vehicles. taxis, ubers, delivery trucks, ambulances, police, fire, busses, not everything can be accommodated by LTR and bicycles. I guess I must apologize to the citizenry for having the gall to own a car. There is no street downtown that is "prioritized for private vehicles" nor did I advocate to disregard signs; that's a leap.
 
buildings said:
"IMO it is not that hard to look for and just follow the signs, but perhaps for some people it is." signage is not the problem, half streets and avenues that go no where is the problem. And that, my friend, was one of the most passive-aggressive sentences I've ever read.
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Actually, half streets and avenues that go nowhere more accurately describes our suburban areas. Downtown still has a grid pattern, so if you can't use 102 Street, 103 or 104 works.

I was trying to be understanding and polite, but apparently that is considered passive aggressive, so I'll be more direct. Its really not such a great hardship, but I guess some people like to whine a lot.
 
buildings said:
ambulances, police, fire, busses,
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Ambulances, police and fire can use the low floor LRT RoW to move around if needed. Busses either neve drove in those RoWs or were replaced by the LRT, I don't see your point here.


buildings said:
There is no street downtown that is "prioritized for private vehicles"
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Most streets downtown are prioritized for private vehicles. In fact, most streets in the entire city are prioritized for them. We closed a handful for that kind of traffic, or reduced their volume, but the sense of entitlement in thinking that cars > everything else is baffling.

buildings said:
I guess I must apologize to the citizenry for having the gall to own a car
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No, you just need to get over the fact that your mode of transportation no longer holds absolute priority over all others.
 
^How silly. You forgot the golden rule of this forum: Anything approved by a progressive-leaning city hall shall not and can not be criticized. Otherwise you will be attacked! One suspects many of the forumers may be city staff lol
 
buildings said:
There is no street downtown that is "prioritized for private vehicles"
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There are very few streets that are not prioritized for automobiles.

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ChazYEG said:
Ambulances, police and fire can use the low floor LRT RoW to move around if needed. Busses either neve drove in those RoWs or were replaced by the LRT, I don't see your point here.

Most streets downtown are prioritized for private vehicles. In fact, most streets in the entire city are prioritized for them. We closed a handful for that kind of traffic, or reduced their volume, but the sense of entitlement in thinking that cars > everything else is baffling.

No, you just need to get over the fact that your mode of transportation no longer holds absolute priority over all others.
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It's amazing that we've only taken some teeny tiny baby steps towards making transportation modes more equitable, yet people somehow mistake it as oppression
 
lemongrab said:
It's amazing that we've only taken some teeny tiny baby steps towards making transportation modes more equitable, yet people somehow mistake it as oppression
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It is kinda of the same logic we have heard from big business owners for well over a century. They feel "oppressed" and "mistreated" when people who they see as less important start receiving any sort of improved treatment (not even equitable, just some improvement). Whenever I hear arguments saying that "they're taking away our rights to own vehicles" kind of bs, it feels the same as "how are we going to operate of children can't work factories" or "we're all gonna go under if employees can only work X hours a week/day", or "we'll be broke if we have to pay a minimum wage"... It is the same logic, just different circumstances.
 
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