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I know this is all just based on some random anecdote, but to me this points to the irreparable damage our provincial government is doing. Why would big money even consider a backwards disgusting province of climate change denying, oil loving, trump supporting separatists…………………… I know that’s not Edmonton, and hopefully not the majority of Alberta… but that’s what we are because of the idiot Smith. There is so much intangible damage that’s being done on top of the obvious. Wake the fuck up.
You do realize a lot of the people who control capital and investment are more conservative leaning on average, right?

And the even more conservative culture of Calgary isn’t struggling to get investment.

So I don’t think your hypothesis is correct.
 
You do realize a lot of the people who control capital and investment are more conservative leaning on average, right?

And the even more conservative culture of Calgary isn’t struggling to get investment.

So I don’t think your hypothesis is correct.
There’s a difference between conservative, and whatever the hell UCP is. I’m talking about Alberta as a brand. And at the moment it’s embarrassing. Calgary has a stronger brand than Edmonton because of head offices, the mountains, the zoo, Calgary tower, and maybe to a lesser extent nowadays, the olympics? Edmonton is just the “other” city in the province of buffoons.
 
There’s a difference between conservative, and whatever the hell UCP is. I’m talking about Alberta as a brand. And at the moment it’s embarrassing. Calgary has a stronger brand than Edmonton because of head offices, the mountains, the zoo, Calgary tower, and maybe to a lesser extent nowadays, the olympics? Edmonton is just the “other” city in the province of buffoons.
Embarrassing to who? People like you and people who think like you -but there are many people who don't think like you. Actually, if you leave Edmonton and this forum most people aren't embarrassed by the UCP and thats why then win elections in this province - people you snobbishly refer to as "buffoons". I think its embarrassing for Canada that after 10 years of the worst government in the nations history, almost zero percent GDP per capita growth over the past 10 years, rising anti-semitism, rising crime rates and crazy catch and release crime policies, ridiculous anti-resource policies that actively try to prohibit our number one industry in this country (hence our low GDP per capita growth) - and so many scandals I can't remember how many - that so many Canadians are still willing to vote for elite banker climate doomer and tax advocate Mark Carney, who will be a rock bottom disaster for this country. Now thats embarrassing - but thats just the way I think.
 
Any Toronto developers that aren't overwhelmed with impending bankruptcy are completely aware of the stability of Edmonton and Calgary. I wouldn't worry about the opposition to investing here from them, many don't have the money to invest anywhere.
Yes, I suspect now many are too absorbed dealing with the messes closer to home to be looking elsewhere.
 
You do realize a lot of the people who control capital and investment are more conservative leaning on average, right?

And the even more conservative culture of Calgary isn’t struggling to get investment.

So I don’t think your hypothesis is correct.
Like many old stereotypes, the one of Edmonton being left and Calgary right is not completely accurate and things also have changed over time.

While it still has a strong and vocal right wing, Calgary has become more cosmopolitan with newcomers and now has as many Liberal MPs as Edmonton and a lot of NDP MLAs provincially.

In Edmonton there is a smaller, less vocal but still solid conservative vote, so the majority of our MPs are still CPC (although there is an election coming soon so we will see if that changes).
 
Embarrassing to who? People like you and people who think like you -but there are many people who don't think like you. Actually, if you leave Edmonton and this forum most people aren't embarrassed by the UCP and thats why then win elections in this province - people you snobbishly refer to as "buffoons". I think its embarrassing for Canada that after 10 years of the worst government in the nations history, almost zero percent GDP per capita growth over the past 10 years, rising anti-semitism, rising crime rates and crazy catch and release crime policies, ridiculous anti-resource policies that actively try to prohibit our number one industry in this country (hence our low GDP per capita growth) - and so many scandals I can't remember how many - that so many Canadians are still willing to vote for elite banker climate doomer and tax advocate Mark Carney, who will be a rock bottom disaster for this country. Now thats embarrassing - but thats just the way I think.
I could waste time debunking every single one of these points, but nothing propagates in the vaccum.
 
Like many old stereotypes, the one of Edmonton being left and Calgary right is not completely accurate and things also have changed over time.

While it still has a strong and vocal right wing, Calgary has become more cosmopolitan with newcomers and now has as many Liberal MPs as Edmonton and a lot of NDP MLAs provincially.

In Edmonton there is a smaller, less vocal but still solid conservative vote, so the majority of our MPs are still CPC (although there is an election coming soon so we will see if that changes).
The last 3 elections have clearly shown Calgary to be more conservative though. So I’m not sure your point? Calgary isn’t stereotyped as more conservative, it simply is.

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Ouch, did they elaborate on that comment? Are they true with that assessment?
The common theme in the institutional realm is that Calgary is all there is in Alberta, and even though Calgary has had a hard time for some time, institutional money is still strong on Calgary. Compare that to Edmonton, where there's been a total exit of many institutions, or institutions avoided Edmonton altogether and poured money into Calgary.

I've also worked in the institutional realm on both regional and national levels and can unequivocally say that is true. In addition, larger regional groups from back East are certainly looking at Calgary, whereas the same kinds of Eastern teams thought they could make a go of it in Edmonton have instead bailed.

It's sad, I know. It's hard news to give, and this is not smugness on my part. These are people allocating hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more, across the country and Edmonton at best only sees drips in comparison to other larger markets. They can make better investment returns elsewhere, and with less risk.
 
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Any Toronto developers that aren't overwhelmed with impending bankruptcy are completely aware of the stability of Edmonton and Calgary. I wouldn't worry about the opposition to investing here from them, many don't have the money to invest anywhere.
Edmonton and Calgary are amongst the least stable in the country. As just one metric, compare the huge swings in multi-residential vacancy in Edmonton versus the rest of country, and Edmonton is by far the least stable. Run a graph going back as far as you can, thirty years if you can, and Edmonton's line on the graph will have the ups and downs trajectory of a vomit comet. Compare with Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, and to a lesser extent Calgary, and their multi-res vacancy graph lines will look almost as flat as the prairie.

From a real estate investment perspective, Edmonton is the least stable metro in Canada.
 
The common theme in the institutional realm is that Calgary is all there is in Alberta, and even though Calgary has had a hard time for some time, institutional money is still strong on Calgary. Compare that to Edmonton, where there's been a total exit of many institutions, or institutions avoided Edmonton altogether and poured money into Calgary.

I've also worked in the institutional on both regional and national levels and can unequivocally say that is true. In addition, larger regional groups from back East are certainly looking at Calgary, whereas the same kinds of Eastern teams thought they could make a go of it in Edmonton and instead bailed.

It's sad, I know. It's hard news to give, and this is not smugness on my part. These are people allocating hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more, across the country and Edmonton at best only sees drips in comparison to other larger markets. They can make better investment returns elsewhere, and with less risk.
What does institutional mean in this sense?
 
The last 3 elections have clearly shown Calgary to be more conservative though. So I’m not sure your point? Calgary isn’t stereotyped as more conservative, it simply is.

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My point is the two cities have become more similar over the years. If you have been around for a while you can remember a time when Edmonton had a majority of Liberal MLA's and Calgary few or none.

For decades Calgary had no NDP MLA's or Liberal MP's. Now, it is more shades of grey rather than opposites. If Alberta only consisted of Edmonton and Calgary we would have an NDP majority government now.
 
What does institutional mean in this sense?
My apologies for being unclear. I'm talking about the biggest financial groups in the country, namely pension funds, life insurance companies, and the like. Some of that money is run in-house and/or though third-party advisors and fiduciaries. You could also add corporations like Brookfield and Kingsett.

I would say that the opposite of institutional money would be small local or regional entities with limited financial clout and limited ability to source both debt and equity. Family offices would not normally included either.
 
Embarrassing to who? People like you and people who think like you -but there are many people who don't think like you. Actually, if you leave Edmonton and this forum most people aren't embarrassed by the UCP and thats why then win elections in this province - people you snobbishly refer to as "buffoons". I think its embarrassing for Canada that after 10 years of the worst government in the nations history, almost zero percent GDP per capita growth over the past 10 years, rising anti-semitism, rising crime rates and crazy catch and release crime policies, ridiculous anti-resource policies that actively try to prohibit our number one industry in this country (hence our low GDP per capita growth) - and so many scandals I can't remember how many - that so many Canadians are still willing to vote for elite banker climate doomer and tax advocate Mark Carney, who will be a rock bottom disaster for this country. Now thats embarrassing - but thats just the way I think.
Canada may still bear some fruit of Trudeau's labour. Trump pulled the USA out of the Paris Climate Accord and there are some reports that the EU is now opposed to signing long term LNG contracts with American energy suppliers because of it. Who knows, they may have blow up the Nord Stream pipe line for nothing. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with being an elite banker. In fact its probably helpful to have personal relationships with European decision makers. In response to Trump's tariffs, its believed that Carney and the leaders of France, Germany, and Japan got together and orchestrated a sell off of American treasuries last week that destabilized the American bond market last week and forced Trump to relent on some tariffs. It's unclear if PP or anybody in his party has the depth of international financial knowledge and the connections to pull off something like that.
 

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