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Out of Towner said:
A gondola does not work without safety protocols in place for its passengers.
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And what in the actual hell makes you think that this was not considered by the people proposing it? Do you really thing they were just like: Let's throw some rope across the river, put some glass boxes on it and hope for the best?

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean these things were not extensively discussed in the proposal.
 
Out of Towner said:
The ability to evacuate passengers is something that safety protocols would insist on because leaving passengers stranded isn't an option. Besides an airlift by helicopter, what else is there?
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Do you even know how urban Gondolas are set up? They do not rely on a single cable, it's a whole array, with backup cables and safety precautions. In places all over the world, rescuers will access the lifts through those, in order to rescue passengers, especially in terrain 10x more challenging than a river crossing an a major city with proper infrastructure all around it.

As you said, you are not an expert. You also have not had access to the technical files, or the financing documentation, or anything other that the public documentation, so maybe you should stop finding excuses to justify your hatred for the project and just say you don't like it because it doesn't directly benefit your mode of transportation of choice. At least when we were talking about bike lanes, you'd do that. Still annoying, but doesn't come across as disingenuous.
 
Out of Towner said:
Paid service or not, if there is ice or broken up ice on the North Saskatchewan - which there is for good parts of every year - and emergency responders are unable to access the river and respond to an incident, then the gondola is a seasonal business.
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Ever heard of a carabiner?

It’s literally not that hard bro.

 
Ok. They're able to move cars along the cable to safety because rappelling people to the ground in the previous video is different than rappelling people down onto ice. One caveat, and I've been on the Peak to Peak, the price of a lift ticket at Whistler isn't the same price as transit fare in Edmonton.
 
Out of Towner said:
The ability to evacuate passengers is something that safety protocols would insist on because leaving passengers stranded isn't an option. Besides an airlift by helicopter, what else is there?
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Gondola systems usually have escape ropes for cars that are above a spot that is suitable for such an evacuation. For cars in a spot that isn't suitable, they can usually be winched along the line until they're in a spot where it is possible. And sure, in an absolute worst-case & unlikely scenario where neither are possible, then you could do a helicopter rescue or rappel along the line.

And of course the gondola won't work without safety protocols in place. Are you trying to suggest that the group that has spent years putting together the plans, costing them out, determining feasibility didn't once think "hey what happens if something goes wrong"? C'mon. There are countless gondolas in operation around the world, all with protocols, and probably the majority are in a location that is a lot harder to access than Edmonton's river valley.
 
Out of Towner said:
Ok. They're able to move cars along the cable to safety because rappelling people to the ground in the previous video is different than rappelling people down onto ice. One caveat, and I've been on the Peak to Peak, the price of a lift ticket at Whistler isn't the same price as transit fare in Edmonton.
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Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
 
ChazYEG said:
Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
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So who are you? The office bully? I'm surprised that you have a job at the City with that kind of an attitude. Shouldn't you be working on a funding application to present to the Province and the Feds instead of spending time on social media?
 
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ChazYEG said:
Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
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Well as somebody who did decide to put somebody on the ignore list, it's not as effective as you think as others may wish to continue to engage and so you get all these messages of repsonses to the person you are ignoring.
 
Ignore features seem rather anti-opinion anyway... some of those doing the ignoring ought to be the ones being ignored IMHO... otherwise what's the use of an opinion-based website.
 
archited said:
Ignore features seem rather anti-opinion anyway... some of those doing the ignoring ought to be the ones being ignored IMHO... otherwise what's the use of an opinion-based website.
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I must have posted something that conflicted with a summary or report that somebody had a personal role in developing. Consider this though The gondola at Banff moves up to 640 people per hour and they charge seasonal rates that vary between $69 - $100 per adult to ride their gondola. There is no way that Edmonton transit riders would pay that fare for the Prairie Sky. So if one assumes that the operating costs of the Banff Gondola and the Prairie Sky Gondola are similar, then it means that the Banff Gondola is earning a pile of cash or the land lease rates are different. Banff lease rates are obviously higher - but that much?
 
It's a national park, they can charge whatever they want for the tourists to use the Banff Gondola. The money earned helps run the park and tourists will pay a lot of money to experience it. The gondola itself doesn't cost that much to operate.

Out of Towner, have you ever gone skiing or been on a gondola yourself? You are litteraly coming up with excuses, just for the sake of coming up with excuses. I have ridden the gondola used in Chongqing, China in 2005, it was built in 1987 it was completely safe and the cost was reasonable enough for locals to use daily.
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There is no public record of a major accident with the Chongqing Yangtze River Cableway since it opened in 1987. However, like any public transport system, it has had incidents, such as temporary closures for maintenance or technical issues, but these have not resulted in fatalities or severe injuries.
  • Official records show no major accidents: While there are no reports of catastrophic accidents, such as crashes or major failures, it's important to note that temporary closures can happen for various reasons, including safety checks and technical issues.
  • Safety record: Urban gondolas and cableways are generally considered very safe modes of public transport, with accident rates significantly lower than road vehicles and rail transport, according to the International Organization for Transportation by Rope (OITAF) and the Leitner Group.
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The gondola proposed for Edmonton would be tiny in comparison.
 
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