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Connect Tower - Office->Residential - Josan Properties - RHW

Mesopotamia said:
He's got a point. I'm in the younger cohort and I hear the same thing from my peers. Downtown is so nasty
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My son is in the youngest cohort - he's 2. Yet, we went to the AGA this morning and than OEB on RHW for lunch and had a great time overall, all wrapped-up by supper this evening at Boualouang in Chinatown (I think the city's best Thai and Lao food - first time I've had it).

But go ahead, stay away from the 'dirty and scary' place that my toddler is totally fine with.
 
Avenuer said:
My son is in the youngest cohort - he's 2. Yet, we went to the AGA this morning and than OEB on RHW for lunch and had a great time overall, all wrapped-up by supper this evening at Boualouang in Chinatown (I think the city's best Thai and Lao food - first time I've had it).

But go ahead, stay away from the 'dirty and scary' place that my toddler is totally fine with.
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I live in an Asian city of 8 million people and its clean, very safe with no drug crazed people walking around. When I go into the CBD of Kuala Lumpur, or other cities I visit regularly like Seoul, Singapore and Tokyo, its clean and safe with thousands of respectful citizens who have pride in their city working, eating, playing etc in safety. The mass transit in these places are safe and clean. When I visit Edmonton it is shocking to see what happens downtown and on the LRT - I took my teenage kids there to show them what drugs can do to people and how it can destroy a society. Its disgusting, tragic and should be unacceptable - but liberal "progressives" and their crime and drug policies have created this situation. But if you are okay with it - good on you. My kids will go to university in Canada and at times I worry about them - will they try weed at a party that has fentynal in it? Will they random attacked by some lunatic whilst waiting for a bus or subway? But they are Canadians and this is where they will be educated and hopefully be able to have a good career and life. I am lucky to have the financial means to live where I want - and its not Canada anymore. The country has changed too much, especially since Trudeau took office in 2015.
 
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Why should "left leaning councils" be okay with drug addicts breaking the law, threatening people and destroying property. All of communist China is "left leaning" and they would never ever allow the opioid fuelled lunacy that goes on in Canada. I work overseas and Canada' reputation since the Liberals took office under Trudeau has gradually gotten worse over time. Its become a laughing stock. I don't understand how so many Canadians can tolerate the level of incompetence they get from their elected leaders.
 
Whatup said:
Until the woke "progressive" city council and Fed Liberals with their "catch and release" progressive rehab crime policies change nothing will change. Most normal people who work, take responsibility for their lives and actions have been so turned off by the crime drug addled circus that downtown Edmonton and the LRT have become it will take a miracle to recover. Why should people go downtown to step around human excrement and needles, get harassed by drug crazed and dangerous lunatics when they can find most services near their homes in safer non downtown areas.
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Are you ok?
 
Avenuer said:
My son is in the youngest cohort - he's 2. Yet, we went to the AGA this morning and than OEB on RHW for lunch and had a great time overall, all wrapped-up by supper this evening at Boualouang in Chinatown (I think the city's best Thai and Lao food - first time I've had it).

But go ahead, stay away from the 'dirty and scary' place that my toddler is totally fine with.
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I’m not scared of downtown; I go there all the time. I’m just stating the obvious and what I hear from coworkers and friends either directly to me or passively. Inhaling meth smoke and stepping over human poop and needles was a daily occurrence lol.
 
Whatup said:
The Cons won almost every age demograhic in the last federal election, including younger voters who are tired of over taxation, diminishing GDP per capita growth and economic and job opportunities, high home prices, rampant crime and anti-semitism. They voted for change - which is what this country needed after 10 years of Trudeau - arguably the worst most divisive PM in Canadian history who according to the Supreme Court used the draconian Emergencies Act illegally (for which no one will be held to account). The only demographic to continue to support this awful Liberal government and slimeball Carney are the Boomers and they obviously don't care what future the youth in this country will have. But according to Cubist - I should go medicate.
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edmonton's mental health and addictions crisis is a provincial responsibility, but hey if you prefer to have trudeau live rent free in your head instead of taking your ucp mla to task then at least don't derail a building thread and kindly take your wisdom to the proper space. since you can't, that makes me quite certain that you need something to help get those sleepy neurons of yours to fire.
 
Well based off of some of my travels there can potentially be some different experiences in Asian countries. But also there are different attitudes of people in those countries as well. Honestly I feel for our downtown we just have to have more people walking about and more buildings that are active and have life in them. For example when I'm walking through the downtown core either to work or from work at Rogers Place some of the things I've noticed is the absence of anything in certain areas. For example as we have discussed on this forum a number of times is the exterior of Edmonton Center West along 103rd and also along the LRT. It's a whole lot of nothing from top to bottom and from end to end. Also in general if there are a few more beat cops around I do firmly believe that the elements that are not desirable will either move on or they will do a whole lot better at hiding themselves in an effort not to be detained or arrested.
 
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AntonK said:
Downtown will happen, it's going through a phase, but will pick up again. It hard to be patient while other cities have downtowns moving at faster paces, but it is what it is.
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We've got pretty good momentum now. It's not 2021 where the conversation was a dead core with vacancy rates pushing 10%.
  • We have around 600 residential units under construction, and around 2500 in the development permit stage. This isn't counting all the projects coming in as well like Ice District Phase II's initial units, the Parks Phase II, Autograph's project, etc.
  • As of 2025, we've also got a total of 1132 new residential units enter the downtown market specifically, not counting Wihkwentowin.
  • Downtown's population is probably in the 15k range by now, with the vacancy rate drops and new residential projects that recently opened.
  • Vacancy rates downtown have hovered 5% even with all the new builds.
  • We've got major employers doubling down on downtown, either through new leases or renovation of buildings like ATB and the National Bank Centre (both of which account for almost $100 million, not counting the recent renovations at the now ATCO place and Rice Howard Place)
  • Office vacancy rates have stabilized to 19% with expectations that it's going to keep going down, beating 2025 expectations where CBRE was predicting a vacancy increase based on employers downsizing their leases.
  • Employment numbers downtown has been increasing year on year.
  • We're getting out of province investment interest like with the Connect Centre.
  • Transit ridership has been increasing benefiting downtown.
The main glaring issue is retail interest, and frankly with all the momentum we're finally seeing? I don't really doubt that we're going to get some movement on that too in the future.
 
Kosy123 said:
We've got pretty good momentum now. It's not 2021 where the conversation was a dead core with vacancy rates pushing 10%.
  • We have around 600 residential units under construction, and around 2500 in the development permit stage. This isn't counting all the projects coming in as well like Ice District Phase II's initial units, the Parks Phase II, Autograph's project, etc.
  • As of 2025, we've also got a total of 1132 new residential units enter the downtown market specifically, not counting Wihkwentowin.
  • Downtown's population is probably in the 15k range by now, with the vacancy rate drops and new residential projects that recently opened.
  • Vacancy rates downtown have hovered 5% even with all the new builds.
  • We've got major employers doubling down on downtown, either through new leases or renovation of buildings like ATB and the National Bank Centre (both of which account for almost $100 million, not counting the recent renovations at the now ATCO place and Rice Howard Place)
  • Office vacancy rates have stabilized to 19% with expectations that it's going to keep going down, beating 2025 expectations where CBRE was predicting a vacancy increase based on employers downsizing their leases.
  • Employment numbers downtown has been increasing year on year.
  • We're getting out of province investment interest like with the Connect Centre.
  • Transit ridership has been increasing benefiting downtown.
The main glaring issue is retail interest, and frankly with all the momentum we're finally seeing? I don't really doubt that we're going to get some movement on that too in the future.
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We need a Truman like developer here to do what’s happening in Calgary. No idea how they’re financing everything they’re building down there. But it’s incredible.
 
Edmcowboy11 said:
... For example as we have discussed on this forum a number of times is the exterior of Edmondson Center West along 103rd and also along the LRT. It's a whole lot of nothing from top to bottom and from end to end..,
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On the other hand, other than the articulation that’s also a pretty good description of the street side of the Centre Pompidou…
 
archited said:
He has a severe case of Male Menses coupled with a bad dose of Fox News Media Maelstrom.
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And you? Let's see .... extreme TDS, think UCP are "fascists" and the CBC are truth seekers - let's vote Liberal forever to keep those MAGA cons out of office. Are you okay?
 
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