Stantec Tower | 250.84m | 66s | ICE District Prop.

What do you think of this project?

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EtoV said:
Walking down jasper ave. takes twice as long as it needs to because of the lights. I swear I get stopped at every intersection.
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Not just Jasper but 102 and 103 as well. I remember walking from the Old Stantec offices to the tower for my inspections and no mater how I walked or how fast I would always get stopped by a few lights. I was able to run and make them once.
 
EtoV said:
Walking down jasper ave. takes twice as long as it needs to because of the lights. I swear I get stopped at every intersection.
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I have the same problem and it has been a problem for years and years. If the city really wants to make downtown pedestrian friendly, this would be a good place to start.
 
Airboy said:
Not just Jasper but 102 and 103 as well. I remember walking from the Old Stantec offices to the tower for my inspections and no mater how I walked or how fast I would always get stopped by a few lights. I was able to run and make them once.
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Ditto. Today I walked to Bar Oro from Norquest, and on my way, I took Jasper Ave. Stopped at both lights, and decided to walk back on 102 Ave (much quicker because I didn't have to stop at all).
 
Clearshades said:
That is city living. The more we grow, the more problematic as Edmonton, like all other NA cities, are design for car-centric. It is frustrating,.
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Frustrating for those who can't drive. Is great for people who drive, which is the large majority of the working population.
 
jason403 said:
Frustrating for those who can't drive. Is great for people who drive, which is the large majority of the working population.
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The difference is that those who drive are comfortably safe and warm in their cars.
It is absolutely egregious the amount of priority we keep giving to cars, even in our most urban areas and yet, every single time someone complains about this, there's one to cry as if cars don't already have WAAAAAY more privilege than any other mode of transportation, from how much we spend on car infrastructure, to how much of the public real is dedicated to them, be it for parking or travel.

Also, one of the reasons why the vast majority of people choose to drive, even Downtown, is because of how pedestrian unfriendly this city is. While I won't be advocating for European utopia in suburbia, neighbourhoods like DT, Oliver, Garneau and Old Strathcona should definitely be more pedestrian friendly.

Not to mention that several of these people who "can't drive" REALLY CAN'T. Elderly people, disabled people, kids, etc. are still part of society and should have their needs accommodated. Not to mention the huge swaths of new immigrants, who can't afford cars, or don't have licenses, etc (and these could very well become a much more permanent presence in our urban neighbourhoods if we made them more family friendly, instead of simply living there for a few years and then move to a car infested suburban hellscape).
 
They're ancillaries issues to the topic, so it is warranted. STANTEC IS COMPLETED, AND SITUATIONS HAVE RISEN THAT WERE NEVER GIVEN COMPLETED DIAGNOSTICS. Discussing these issues are good, so we can be prepared going forward. How would we know how to mitigate these issues going forward if they're not discussed.
How many times can we express a pub here or there, the food court, what other businesses can go into this or that space?
 
ChazYEG said:
The difference is that those who drive are comfortably safe and warm in their cars.
It is absolutely egregious the amount of priority we keep giving to cars, even in our most urban areas and yet, every single time someone complains about this, there's one to cry as if cars don't already have WAAAAAY more privilege than any other mode of transportation, from how much we spend on car infrastructure, to how much of the public real is dedicated to them, be it for parking or travel.

Also, one of the reasons why the vast majority of people choose to drive, even Downtown, is because of how pedestrian unfriendly this city is. While I won't be advocating for European utopia in suburbia, neighbourhoods like DT, Oliver, Garneau and Old Strathcona should definitely be more pedestrian friendly.

Not to mention that several of these people who "can't drive" REALLY CAN'T. Elderly people, disabled people, kids, etc. are still part of society and should have their needs accommodated. Not to mention the huge swaths of new immigrants, who can't afford cars, or don't have licenses, etc (and these could very well become a much more permanent presence in our urban neighbourhoods if we made them more family friendly, instead of simply living there for a few years and then move to a car infested suburban hellscape).
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People love cars, and love roads. We love being able to get across the city, access to deliveries, emergency services, etc.

Pedestrian improvements are nice, but not a necessity, especially at the expense of transportation infrastructure. Taking something such as road access away for the masses to allow for elitists to play simcity seems like a dangerous precedent.
 
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ChazYEG said:
The difference is that those who drive are comfortably safe and warm in their cars.
It is absolutely egregious the amount of priority we keep giving to cars, even in our most urban areas and yet, every single time someone complains about this, there's one to cry as if cars don't already have WAAAAAY more privilege than any other mode of transportation, from how much we spend on car infrastructure, to how much of the public real is dedicated to them, be it for parking or travel.

Also, one of the reasons why the vast majority of people choose to drive, even Downtown, is because of how pedestrian unfriendly this city is. While I won't be advocating for European utopia in suburbia, neighbourhoods like DT, Oliver, Garneau and Old Strathcona should definitely be more pedestrian friendly.

Not to mention that several of these people who "can't drive" REALLY CAN'T. Elderly people, disabled people, kids, etc. are still part of society and should have their needs accommodated. Not to mention the huge swaths of new immigrants, who can't afford cars, or don't have licenses, etc (and these could very well become a much more permanent presence in our urban neighbourhoods if we made them more family friendly, instead of simply living there for a few years and then move to a car infested suburban hellscape).
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Exactly, the minute or two more delay while you are comfortably in a warm car is not a big problem. Waiting for the light to change outside at -20 it is.

We keep on talking about making a more walkable city, then coming up with excuses not to to it and moaning about how it is not happening.

It really starts with a few simple, inexpensive changes to make it more pedestrian friendly. It does not require millions to be spent on infrastructure and configurations, which will probably end up being a waste of money, if the simple things are not done first.
 
jason403 said:
People love cars, and love roads. We love being able to get across the city, access to deliveries, emergency services, etc.

Pedestrian improvements are nice, but not a necessity, especially at the expense of transportation infrastructure. Taking something such as road access away for the masses to allow for elitists to play simcity seems like a dangerous precedent.
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I'm obsessed with the implication here that elitists have pedestrians as their priority or that those who don't or can't drive are themselves the elitists. As for how much people "love" driving, I don't think anyone I've spoken to in my life has expressed joy about driving downtown; it is a poor situation for everyone involved. I personally don't think it should be the inherent right of suburban commuters to speed in and back out of downtown just because they like driving a car, at the expense of the quality of life of core residents. This attitude towards transportation is so, so tired.
 
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