East Junction | 86m | 25s | Regency Developments | DER + Associates

What do you think of this project?


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Weird. It is like they are trying to cram good and bad design elements into one single package.
 
So Regency is now up to 6 x 60m towers, added 250 units, did nothing to address traffic impacts. I'll post some photos a bit later, but they're basically proposing a massive wall along 85 Street.

The letter from EDC, which they released yesterday afternoon, was of non-support. Two and a half pages of non-support. It was bad. Really bad.

I get that the site has many constraints on it, and that meeting Council's motion is even more challenging, but the way they went about trying to address it was entirely the wrong direction, and not at all representative of the work our committee put into trying to help them solve these issues. We're super disappointed and hope he pulls back again for a complete rethink, perhaps with an entirely new architect.
 
I saw some of the massing renderings on Twitter. That level of density, and in that format, just looks wholly inappropriate. Strange that they'd even propose something like that after the November rejection.
 
As I said many moons ago, when you go after height density (reducing the tall buildings to squat ones), you are going to end up with a wall or something close to a wall. I still don't get why there is an aversion to height in these kinds of developments. Even New York City realized the benefit of tall buildings centuries ago.
 
As I said many moons ago, when you go after height density (reducing the tall buildings to squat ones), you are going to end up with a wall or something close to a wall. I still don't get why there is an aversion to height in these kinds of developments. Even New York City realized the benefit of tall buildings centuries ago.
"But then I can't enjoy the sun on my patio anymore. :("

- quote overheard in Edmonton somewhere

Of course, I'm being facetious and have no skin in the game.
 
@archited The bottom line, to me, is that the site is too constrained for the kind of density Regency wants to build on it. For the number of units they want, the kind of towers they would need to work within the constraints and meet good design practices are not possible.

Apparently Regency has been told to seek a new architect by a number of people involved. We're going to add our voice to the chorus, because I think he can still have a good, profitable development - even scaled down a bit - that looks nice, could pass EDC muster, and that the community could get along with if he had someone better working on the designs.
 
From the open house on May 2:

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It may need a new developer as well. Either look for this property to be sold or to remain in a state of disuse and disrepair for years. Here's a thought... Community hires its own architect for an alternate schematic proposal -- cost about $15K, reimbursed by the developer if it solves problems all around. Cost should cover everything evident in the current proposal, new renderings and all -- about $4.25 per Holyrood resident... ask for support from the City -- worth it for them considering the time already wasted by those in review process -- maybe $7,500 from the City and $7,500 from the Community. The City needs to find the will to solve these TODs -- same problem cropping up in community after community.
 
EDC's findings are now public:

J. DELIBERATION - HOLYROOD GARDENS REZONING (Closed to the public)

A.Zepp and W. Sims left the meeting due to conflicts.

MOVED: D. Deshpande

Motion of Non-support

In general the Edmonton Design Committee supports higher densities for Transit Oriented Developments in this area but a fundamental redesign of this project is needed.

The Committee has a number of general concerns; namely that:
● The proposed development represents a literal interpretation of City design guidelines (e.g. angular planes) without exploring a more creative integration of built form with the existing neighbourhood character or pattern.
● The responses to the Principles of Urban Design appear to be primarily focused on providing density rather than creating a sense of place or addressing the character of the area.
● There are apparent errors in the numerical calculations contained within the package.
● There are inconsistencies between the DC2 text and the graphics (e.g. the amount of green space to be provided).

The Committee also has a number of specific concerns related to the following outcomes as identified by the Applicant:

1. Site Layout and Planning
○ The package lacks sufficient analysis of the existing community context, and could benefit from an identification of basic placemaking elements, including nodes, paths, edges, districts, landscapes, street patterns and landmarks.
○ The proposed design lacks a well designed and integrated open space and public realm, with no hierarchy of open spaces identified.

2. Overall Massing and Built Form
○ The focus of development and architectural treatment has been concentrated along the west edge of the site; the Applicant is encouraged to consider alternative built forms and architectural definition along the eastern edge of the site abutting the existing neighbourhood.
○ The pattern of built forms and open space is very repetitive; similarly, more variation is needed in building types and uses.
○ The Committee supports the exploration of alternative built forms for the provision of family-oriented housing, particularly along the back alley (e.g. row housing housing).
○ Rather than a blanket DC2 text the Applicant is encouraged to consider sub-areas which define specific densities, uses and precincts, and should reflect site-specific conditions as well as the realities of construction phasing.

3. Integration into the Community
○ The proposed design lacks a sufficient consideration of edge conditions.
○ The Applicant is encouraged to consider how 93 Avenue will be used daily by the community; i.e. how is the transit plaza accessed, is there appropriate bicycle parking, interaction between vehicles and pedestrians, etc. Similar considerations are required at the southwest corner of the site.

4. Access to and From the Site
○ The package lacks clarity regarding connectivity to the east and west communities; i.e exploring ways to promote the development as a focal point for both the Holyrood and Strathearn neighbourhoods.
○ The Committee feels that the proposed pathways and walkways to adjacent neighbourhoods lack the provision of integrated and seamless connections with mutually supportive public realm and building design.

5. Enhanced Pedestrian Realm
○ The proposed design shows little evidence of an enhanced pedestrian realm, with little design support within the package in the form of cross sections, precedent images, etc.
○ The proposed design does not sufficiently explore the open space and landscape opportunities within the large areas of landscape over structure (i.e. green roof).

6. Pedestrian Experience
○ The proposed ‘transit plaza’ does not appear to be of sufficient size or configuration to function much differently as a widened sidewalk. The package lacks detail on how the plaza is to be used or programmed.
○ In addition to glazing requirements, the Applicant is encouraged to include requirements for active frontages to activate the public realm.
○ There appears to be little differentiation in the types of open spaces or the anticipated functions of the open spaces.

7. Sun shadows
○ The Committee is concerned about the impact of shadows on proposed open spaces and the adjacent neighbourhood. The Committee supports the exploration of alternative built form and massing scenarios, including the use of point towers over podiums at appropriate locations and variation of floor-plates for towers and mid-rise buildings to modify shadow impacts.
○ In addition, the Committee is also concerned about the wind impacts of this proposed design. The Committee strongly recommends that the proposed design be accompanied by a wind impact study to understand the impacts of wind, particularly on the open spaces proposed within the development.

SECONDED: B. Nolan

FOR THE MOTION: M. Figueira, R. Labonte, T. Antoniuk, S. Kaznacheeva, J. Mills, C. Holmes, D. Brown, B. Nolan

https://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/documents/EdmontonDesignCommittee_May_01_2018_Minutes.pdf

Note that this relates to what was shown at the open house. There is a new proposal in the works which will be reviewed by EDC in June.
 
New architect? Honestly, this wouldn't be so offensive in the eyes of the public and EDC if they simply hired someone decent. Somehow, they managed to slap every small town hotel design into a single design. Maybe that is an accomplishment in itself.

I mean, even DER's website is poorly designed.
 

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