Gronk!
Senior Member
A coffee bistro would be fine although I would be a bit concerned about the park being used for utilities, trash service, deliveries and whatnot.
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Warehouse District Park
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EdmTrekker
Senior Member
Allowing the sale of alcohol in any business in the park adjacent to the children's area is something I would be opposing.
I think there is ample opportunity for businesses to open up across the alleys - and no need for a liquor licensed restaurant to operate next to a children's playground in what is a small park. If you could inform me about a park in a BIG city that allows alcohol sales from a kiosk/counter adjacent to a children's playground - this grandfather would like to know.
Avenuer
Senior Member
Not related to selling alcohol directly by a playground, but in many parts of Europe you can walk in city parks, where children are sometimes present along with playgrounds, and openly consume alcohol. Having a licensed establishment within the park will not cause mayhem.
BASE
Active Member
Quite enjoyed the beer gardens in Berlin. We stopped at one on a bike tour that was on a park but not a playground.
EdmTrekker
Senior Member
In Spain and particularly Madrid it is illegal to byob and drink in any public park. In Madrid's most used and grandest park El Retiro, there are licensed restaurants in beautiful surroundings but without a playground immediately adjacent. In France only an alcoholic (which is frowned on severely) would drink in a small neighbourhood park hosting a play ground. But drinking with a picnic lunch in large "parks" like Champ de Mars is acceptable. Warehouse Park is a small park by any European standard and meant to be a "community" park by its size and proposed design - at least that is my understanding. I do not see why taxpayers should build a restaurant/bar when for example Boston Pizza (as an example) might be enticed to knock out the back wall of the bar and add outdoor tables. That may be possible along all of the alley's and possibly with food trucks.
God
Active Member
2 football fields worth of park isn’t something I’d call small.
Didama
Active Member
No alcohol next to playgrounds...ugh.... the puritan streak in North America continues. What's wrong with parents enjoying a pint while their kids play on swing/slide? That's literally happening everywhere on the planet except N.A.
Greenspace
Senior Member
Currently liquor sales and cannabis retail sales must be 100m from any park with a playground. However it's often hard to justify those separation distances at SDAB, there's little evidence that it has any effect on neighbouring properties. There's no separation distances when it comes to bars and neighbourhood pubs, or restaurant uses.
Montreal allows alcohol consumption in parks as long as you are eating food . Usually people just go to the convenience store and grab a bag of chips.
Montreal allows alcohol consumption in parks as long as you are eating food . Usually people just go to the convenience store and grab a bag of chips.
Didama
Active Member
I mean, what exactly are we worried about...kids seeing an adult drinking something that looks like any other drink to them? If we're worried about intoxication, there's ways to control that without outlawing casual drinks for all at any time of the day. If someone wants to get loaded they typically don't pick a cafe next to a playground. Time to use some common sense and end these prohibition era laws.
Stevey_G
Active Member
I’m with you guys. Sounds great even if you’re not a parent. It would not be that expensive to do, and there’s plenty of space to integrate it near the playground.
Greenspace
Senior Member
What We Heard Report from the May consultations.
- Unstructured design
- Slopes and hills
- Washroom facility on west side of park/plaza
- Fountain
- Entry plaza off 106 Street
- Dedicated play area
- Picnic areas
- Unstructured design
- Slopes and hills
- Washroom facility on west side of park/plaza
- Fountain
- Entry plaza off 106 Street
- Dedicated play area
- Picnic areas
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dkazzed
Active Member
I don't know about playgrounds but on Halloween when parents are drinking out of their travel mugs while escorting their trick or treating kids, 75% of the time it's like an adult drink.
archited
Senior Member
Wow... what a grand exposé of original thought... this will truly be Edmonton at its best (NOT)
IanO
Senior Member
Where are the pickle ball and basketball courts?
Romanov
Active Member
I would think that safety and vibrancy come from more intense uses. More intense uses would be active uses that are not as easily deterred by the atmosphere of a place - I.e., organized sports. We do not need another dog park/playground that is eventually abandoned by the majority because the atmosphere is hampered by safety concerns around the area. Passive uses alone are not reliable in creating vibrancy downtown, and we have multiple parks in and around downtown to show that. This park needs to include intense use space to compliment the passive uses.
I really hope administration is able to see the need for active uses despite the results of this public feedback.