Valley Line LRT | TransEd/Marigold | City of Edmonton

fromyeg said:

Guys, we did it. Edmonton in the new NJB video.

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At about the 5 minute mark, he demonstrates how trams can get through impossibly narrow streets (such as in Lisbon). In that case, why aren't we running trams down 81 or 83 Ave to serve the Whyte Ave corridor. I can't imagine a more effective way to connect Health Sciences to Bonnie Doon.
 
Tropical said:
At about the 5 minute mark, he demonstrates how trams can get through impossibly narrow streets (such as in Lisbon). In that case, why aren't we running trams down 81 or 83 Ave to serve the Whyte Ave corridor. I can't imagine a more effective way to connect Health Sciences to Bonnie Doon.
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In all fairness, I would still rather run it on Whyte and turn it from a bit of a stroad into a proper high street. But if we really can't,, running down 81st or 83rd is definitely the next best thing!
 
ChazYEG said:
In all fairness, I would still rather run it on Whyte and turn it from a bit of a stroad into a proper high street. But if we really can't,, running down 81st or 83rd is definitely the next best thing!
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I still think having a subway underneath 81 Ave, with stations coming out onto the south side of 82 ave (connected through building entrances) is the best way forward. Minimizing construction disruption on Whyte (unless we want to go for a super expensive tunneling method).

Barring that, a tram connecting to Health Sciences or something would work. We just really need more trams in the city.

I'm like Reece Martin but instead of automated elevated metros, it's trams.
 
All of these fanciful dreams of a major LRT connector between Bonnie Doon and the U of A have one bottleneck in common - crossing the Mill Creek ravine.

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Gronk! said:
All of these fanciful dreams of a major LRT connector between Bonnie Doon and the U of A have one bottleneck in common - crossing the Mill Creek ravine.

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Maybe doing something like they did for Groat bridge is possible, where they did one side at a time? Would certainly make traffic hell for a while, but I really wonder if it's technically feasible.
 
Gronk! said:
All of these fanciful dreams of a major LRT connector between Bonnie Doon and the U of A have one bottleneck in common - crossing the Mill Creek ravine.

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Can LRT's not be built to cross ravines? Or is there additional context that isn't being explained here...

I'm befuddled since we're apparently able to build transportation that crosses rivers.
 
ChazYEG said:
Maybe doing something like they did for Groat bridge is possible, where they did one side at a time? Would certainly make traffic hell for a while, but I really wonder if it's technically feasible.
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That could work, although I fear this may end up becoming another Stony Plain Road Bridge, which was closed for 2 years for LRT construction.

Tropical said:
Can LRT's not be built to cross ravines? Or is there additional context that isn't being explained here...

I'm befuddled since we're apparently able to build transportation that crosses rivers.
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I'm no engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it likely costs about the same or more as the Tawatina Bridge to construct a new LRT crossing across a ravine. There is also the environmental impact of such construction activity across the Mill Creek ravine to consider, keeping in mind that a freeway through this ravine was shelved decades ago. And how will the residents react to all this? Are these factors part of the reason why there's no LRT bridge along the 87 Ave corridor (aside from the obvious lack of an LRT route)?
 
Gronk! said:
That could work, although I fear this may end up becoming another Stony Plain Road Bridge, which was closed for 2 years for LRT construction.



I'm no engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it likely costs about the same or more as the Tawatina Bridge to construct a new LRT crossing across a ravine. There is also the environmental impact of such construction activity across the Mill Creek ravine to consider, keeping in mind that a freeway through this ravine was shelved decades ago. And how will the residents react to all this? Are these factors part of the reason why there's no LRT bridge along the 87 Ave corridor (aside from the obvious lack of an LRT route)?
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87ave is due to the size of the crossing primarily. It’s a very, very far crossing. And as a smaller city, we made due with groat/fox as ways to connect south central and west end.

But as the city grows, we’ll need a solution for that crossing.

Whyte ave would have got the festival line if the challenges of the high level crossing weren’t there. I think that killed it and BRT is now the desire. We need a central circulator though of some kind.
 
The narrow roads also present challenges to traffic and LRT. Whyte Avenue is four lanes from 75 to 91 Street. Mill Creek Bridge could be upgraded to handle LRT or Mass Transit. Whyte Avenue narrows at various parts of between 99 and 112 Street.
 
J_gordo said:
Not sure if I’ve ever seen so much simultaneous construction happen across such a large area. Never saw this on the SE line
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Yesterday, between 107 St and 116 St I counted more than three dozen personal vehicles in Marigold parking areas, and contractor pick-up trucks on the sites. I'm sure I missed some that were parked in commercial lots along 104 Ave, but it gives a sense of how many people are working on this.
 
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